Evidence for God from Science

If you don't know where you are going, you'll end up someplace else.

LPB

Heh, heh, heh. Time to abandon ship.

GG

"Man who posts weird stuff, should start new thread"

- Confusionous

Even the gods love jokes


Plato

"A perfect nature has no need of choice, for it knows naturally what is good...our free choice indicates the imperfection of fallen human nature, the loss of divine likeness. Our nature being over-clouded by sin no longer knows its true good, and usually turns to what is 'against nature'; and so the human person is always faced with the necessity of choice; it goes forward gropingly. This hesitation in our ascent towards the good we call 'free will'."

- from 'The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church', p.125

As you can see, I've cherry-picked, errrr.....I mean carefully contextually selected a bunch of quotes on free-will and destiny.

After searching for a bit longer, I hope to formulate some definitive answer on these subjects. Feel free to keep adding some more stuff Phillip, Rick, anyone as I'm definitely taking your comments into account.

Jokes welcome too




double predestination o_O

Christian Mysticism to the rescue ! (cue warning message )


"Each one of you now, according to the Law of Cause and Effect, is in the place the Total Wisdom has placed you. You are not there by chance. You are obeying the Divine Plan placed in the circumstances, family, community and nation necessary to learn your next lessons. In general, what are these lessons? To be patient -To be tolerant – To love. To love even those who stand against you. Let me put it a different way; to be a good Christian, or a good Buddhist, or a good Muslim. It's all the same. This is what we are teaching."

- Daskalos

I'm your density.

-George McFly

RickD wrote:

I'm your density.

-George McFly

Excellent post !

Density = Mass / Volume

Also, according to science, the only known truly random process that exists in the universe is when a radioactive material decides to decay. (sorry, don't have a reference at my finger tips right now)

An add-hoc test for this was to use a spinthariscope. Psychics were asked to determine where spots would appear on the phosphor plate that was later placed in front of a decaying isotope. Of course, they couldn't match them up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinthariscope

So, there is such a thing as chance


or really bad psychics

BigHamster wrote:

RickD wrote:

I'm your density.

-George McFly

Excellent post !

Density = Mass / Volume

Also, according to science, the only known truly random process that exists in the universe is when a radioactive material decides to decay. (sorry, don't have a reference at my finger tips right now)

An add-hoc test for this was to use a spinthariscope. Psychics were asked to determine where spots would appear on the phosphor plate that was later placed in front of a decaying isotope. Of course, they couldn't match them up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinthariscope
So, there is such a thing as chance


or really bad psychics

Wow, that's really interesting!

Now, fulfill your destiny and take your father's place at my side.

-Darth Sidious

"Density is dish best served cold"

- Kahn McFly

Free-will is a sly, and insidious foe,
It haunts me and plagues me wherever I go;
In pulpit or pew, meditation or prayer,
In reading or writing, he’s sure to be there.

Free-will is a trap in which Satan ensnares
The Pharisee, even while saying his prayers;
All heavenly work-folk are caught with the bait;
Their doings so good, and their merits so great.

Free-will is rank poison, a curse and a bane,
Diffusing its venom through every vein;
This cup of free-will Adam drank in the fall,
Which poisoned himself and infected us all.

Free-will is a plague which in Eden began,
And marr’d all the beauty of innocent man;
The leprosy spread from the head to the feet,
His offspring all caught the infection complete.

Free-will is a thief, of an impudent face,
Who aims to rob God of His Glory and Grace,
Ye watchmen in Zion, who are faithful and bold,
Hunt out the base robber from every fold.

Free-will is a murd’rer of souls every day,
And millions are slain ’neath his pond’rous sway;
This murd’rous assassin has people in hell,
Who ever in torments with devils must dwell.

Free-will is a traitor to Jesus, my Lord;
Rebels at His sovereignty, counsel and word;
Defying His power with impious strain,
And cries, " I’ll not have this Jesus to reign."

Free-will is a liar, says, " ’tis with ease
A man can believe and repent when he please,
That he’s a free agent, and so may refuse
The good or the evil, whichever he choose."

Free-will’s an impostor and cheat at the best,
To offer salvation he never possess’d
If certain conditions I only fulfil,
Yet gives me no power to do or to will.

Free-will as a tyrant once rul’d over me;
But Jesus o’ercame him, and now I am free;
Made willing to own Him my King from that hour,
I bow to His sceptre and yield to His power.

Free-grace is a scheme which Jehovah began,
In covenant counsel He drew up the plan;
The Mighty Redeemer accomplish’d the whole
And the Spirit imparted its joys in my soul.

Free-grace is distinguishing, sovereign to choose
What objects to favour and whom to refuse;
His purpose must stand who is God ever blest,
The election obtain’d it, and blind are the rest.

Free-grace from contingencies ever secure,
Its blessings are absolute, certain and sure;
For all that are chosen and purchased by blood
Are conquer’d and made willing servants to God.

Free-grace first enriched me when needy and poor,
And led me to Christ’s inexhaustible store;
Heal’d all my diseases when ready to die,
And covered my nakedness as He passed by.

Free-grace pulled me out of the miry clay,
When sunk in the ruins of nature I lay;
Wash’d from the filth and pollution of sin,
And made me both righteous and perfectly clean.

Free-grace in Christ Jesus secures all the crop
Of spiritual graces, my love, joy, and hope.
Faith, patience, and meekness, with temperance too,
And courage to bear me the conflict all through.

Free-grace has to me an inheritance given,
Laid up and reserved in the kingdom of heaven;
And keeps me securely, through faith, until I
Shall enter upon my possessions on high.

Free-grace is the theme of the glorified throng,
While ages eternal are rolling along;
All glory and honour ascribe they to Him,
Who liveth and reigneth the only Supreme.

Free-grace is the boast of true pilgrims below,
As through this dark valley to Zion they go.
Delighted the watchmen all lift up their voice,
Of free-grace salvation they sing and rejoice.

Free-grace long has been my soul’s triumph and joy;
And, while in the body, shall be my employ;
And when my glad spirit to God shall ascend
Free-grace is the song which shall never have end.

Free-will versus Free-Grace
by Cornelius Slim, 19th century pastor in
Guildford, Surrey, England

It sounds like old Corny Slim may have been a Calvinist.

There is no free-will vs free-grace. Our free-will works with God's free Grace.

Ephesians 2:8

RickD wrote:It sounds like old Corny Slim may have been a Calvinist.

There is no free-will vs free-grace. Our free-will works with God's free Grace.

Ephesians 2:8

Thanks !