Evidence for God from Science

Hortator wrote:How much longer is that acronym going to get? In some rather established circles, it's actually LGBTQIA+, with the I being "intersex" and the A being asexual. And the + being "whoever we forgot / wants to feel special."

And still even further, Dan Savage, an official-unofficial spokeshead, has claimed that it should really be LGBTQLFTSQIAP. Let me break it down,

lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, leather/fetish, two-spirit, questioning, intersex, and asexual [and polyamory] community/communities

edwardmurphy wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:Then there is the obvious issues of how homosexuality is evolutionary disadvantage for the human species and so forth.

No doubt. That's probably why we couldn't compete with the dire wolves, short faced bears, and sabre toothed cats.

IceMobster wrote:Enjoy the scientific research proving no LGBTQ illness is something you are born with.

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... and-gender

IceMobster wrote:Enjoy the scientific research proving no LGBTQ illness is something you are born with.

edwardmurphy wrote:

IceMobster wrote:Enjoy the scientific research proving no LGBTQ illness is something you are born with.

What?

Are you trying to say that the article proves that homosexuality is a mental illness, or that it proves that there's no genetic predisposition toward homosexuality, or both, or something else entirely?

Please, kid, proofread.

• While some people are under the impression that sexual orientation is an innate, fixed, and biological trait of human beings — that, whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual, we are “born that way” — there is insufficient scientific evidence to support that claim. In fact, the concept of sexual orientation itself is highly ambiguous; it can refer to a set of behaviors, to feelings of attraction, or to a sense of identity. Epidemiological studies show a rather modest association between genetic factors and sexual attractions or behaviors, but do not provide significant evidence pointing to particular genes. There is also evidence for other hypothesized biological causes of homosexual behaviors, attractions, or identity — such as the influence of hormones on prenatal development — but that evidence, too, is limited. Studies of the brains of homosexuals and heterosexuals have found some differences, but have not demonstrated that these differences are inborn rather than the result of environmental factors that influenced both psychological and neurobiological traits. One environmental factor that appears to be correlated with non-heterosexuality is childhood sexual abuse victimization, which may also contribute to the higher rates of poor mental health outcomes among non-heterosexual subpopulations, compared to the general population. Overall, the evidence suggests some measure of fluidity in patterns of sexual attraction and behavior — contrary to the “born that way” notion that oversimplifies the vast complexity of human sexuality.

PaulSacramento wrote:Let's look at it this way:

Would you say that someone that wants to mutilate themselves or engage in an activity that they know is not healthy has some sort of mental issue?

thatkidakayoungguy wrote:Just curious, if homosexuals, bisexuals, and maybe transgender (not sure) are born that way, then why is there a Questioning aspect of LGBTQ?
To be clear, I'm not trying to hate on anyone, I'm just questioning.
I've heard both yes and no for transgender being born that way.

Nessa wrote:

thatkidakayoungguy wrote:Just curious, if homosexuals, bisexuals, and maybe transgender (not sure) are born that way, then why is there a Questioning aspect of LGBTQ?
To be clear, I'm not trying to hate on anyone, I'm just questioning.
I've heard both yes and no for transgender being born that way.

Even if a person was born 'gay', it doesnt necessarily make it a good thing. And it doesnt mean a persons choice is taken from them.

We have just had a homosexual couple (females) move in next door... at the moment Im more worried about their pitball tho

Nessa wrote:Even if a person was born 'gay', it doesnt necessarily make it a good thing. And it doesnt mean a persons choice is taken from them.

edwardmurphy wrote:

Nessa wrote:Even if a person was born 'gay', it doesnt necessarily make it a good thing. And it doesnt mean a persons choice is taken from them.

Hang on there...

If you're born gay then that means that's how God wants you to be, does it not? And yet the Bible prohibits homosexuality. So why would God make a subset of people a certain way and then prohibit them from acting on their hardwired impulses?

I look forward to some great logical gymnastics.

edwardmurphy wrote:

Nessa wrote:Even if a person was born 'gay', it doesnt necessarily make it a good thing. And it doesnt mean a persons choice is taken from them.

Hang on there...

If you're born gay then that means that's how God wants you to be, does it not? And yet the Bible prohibits homosexuality. So why would God make a subset of people a certain way and then prohibit them from acting on their hardwired impulses?

I look forward to some great logical gymnastics.