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Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:09 pm
by RickD
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
I have never rejected God, I’ve only rejected various claims people have made about God.
Kenny,

I thought you claimed that you used to be a Christian, and now you claim to be an atheist?
Yes. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
Accepting claims that people made about God, doesn't make one a Christian.

Was your Christianity, as much of a straw man as the God you've created in your mind?

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:49 pm
by Kenny
Opps

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:02 pm
by Kenny
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
I have never rejected God, I’ve only rejected various claims people have made about God.
Kenny,

I thought you claimed that you used to be a Christian, and now you claim to be an atheist?
. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
RickD wrote:Accepting claims that people made about God, doesn't make one a Christian.
Do you know of any Christians who haven't accepted any of the claims people have made about God?
RickD wrote:Was your Christianity, as much of a straw man as the God you've created in your mind?
The only straw men in my mind are the ones built/created by various theists

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:38 am
by PaulSacramento
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
I have never rejected God, I’ve only rejected various claims people have made about God.
Kenny,

I thought you claimed that you used to be a Christian, and now you claim to be an atheist?
Yes. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
So personal revelation is proof to you?

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:57 am
by Kenny
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
I have never rejected God, I’ve only rejected various claims people have made about God.
Kenny,

I thought you claimed that you used to be a Christian, and now you claim to be an atheist?
Yes. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
So personal revelation is proof to you?
Yes it would be.

K

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:10 am
by RickD
RickD wrote:
Accepting claims that people made about God, doesn't make one a Christian.

Kenny wrote:
Do you know of any Christians who haven't accepted any of the claims people have made about God?
Nice deflection Kenny.

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:10 am
by RickD
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
I have never rejected God, I’ve only rejected various claims people have made about God.
Kenny,

I thought you claimed that you used to be a Christian, and now you claim to be an atheist?
Yes. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
So personal revelation is proof to you?
Yes it would be.

K
But only on your terms.

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:12 am
by PaulSacramento
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
I have never rejected God, I’ve only rejected various claims people have made about God.
Kenny,

I thought you claimed that you used to be a Christian, and now you claim to be an atheist?
Yes. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
So personal revelation is proof to you?
Yes it would be.

K
Personal revelation is a viable form of evidence to you? not anecdotal?

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:34 am
by RickD
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny,

I thought you claimed that you used to be a Christian, and now you claim to be an atheist?
Yes. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
So personal revelation is proof to you?
Yes it would be.

K
Personal revelation is a viable form of evidence to you? not anecdotal?
Did you just ask Kenny, the king of "nothing is objective", if it's anecdotal?

:lol:

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:17 am
by Kenny
RickD wrote:
RickD wrote:
Accepting claims that people made about God, doesn't make one a Christian.

Kenny wrote:
Do you know of any Christians who haven't accepted any of the claims people have made about God?
Nice deflection Kenny.
Perhaps I misunderstood you; it was not my intention to deflect.

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:19 am
by Kenny
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny,

I thought you claimed that you used to be a Christian, and now you claim to be an atheist?
Yes. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
So personal revelation is proof to you?
Yes it would be.

K
But only on your terms.
Not quite; it just has to be done in a way that I can recognize and understand.

Ken

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:24 am
by Kenny
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny,

I thought you claimed that you used to be a Christian, and now you claim to be an atheist?
Yes. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
So personal revelation is proof to you?
Yes it would be.

K
Personal revelation is a viable form of evidence to you? not anecdotal?
According to my understanding, anecdotal evidence is generally considered the least reliable type of evidence because it is often based upon heresy or faulty reasoning. For me a personal experience would be more convincing.

Ken

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:28 am
by Kenny
RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Yes. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
So personal revelation is proof to you?
Yes it would be.

K
Personal revelation is a viable form of evidence to you? not anecdotal?
Did you just ask Kenny, the king of "nothing is objective", if it's anecdotal?

:lol:
Ive never claimed nothing was objective, I've always said some things are objective, and some things are subjective. The disagreement I and many on this forum have had was based on what is objective or subjective.

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:39 am
by RickD
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote: So personal revelation is proof to you?
Yes it would be.

K
Personal revelation is a viable form of evidence to you? not anecdotal?
Did you just ask Kenny, the king of "nothing is objective", if it's anecdotal?

:lol:
Ive never claimed nothing was objective, I've always said some things are objective, and some things are subjective. The disagreement I and many on this forum have had was based on what is objective or subjective.
What things are objective?

Re: Key Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:44 am
by PaulSacramento
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Yes. Initially I accepted many of the claims people made about God, but eventually I rejected the claims. As I said countless times, if God communicated to me in a way that I recognized/understood; I would accept as real.

Ken
So personal revelation is proof to you?
Yes it would be.

K
Personal revelation is a viable form of evidence to you? not anecdotal?
According to my understanding, anecdotal evidence is generally considered the least reliable type of evidence because it is often based upon heresy or faulty reasoning. For me a personal experience would be more convincing.

Ken

Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes, i.e., evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony.

Many people view personal revelation as anecdotal, that is why I ask.
Skeptics tend to discount personal revelation for this matter, unless, of course, it is THEIR personal revelation.
That said, some skeptics would even discount their own since, as they put it, senses and reasoning can be mislead.