Evidence for God from Science

neo-x wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:16 am

Stu wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:14 am

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 1:17 pm This makes a second time that the pope says something controversial in the recent past behind closed doors...

There is No Hell

Seems the pope is consistent in saying one thing publically or as pope, and thinking something that differs with RCC theology...and this from the Vicar of Christ!
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He has also said "who am I to judge" in terms of gay people. So another instance were he doesn't say it is wrong. Sorry but this pope is an idiot.

But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Stu wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:51 am

neo-x wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:16 am

Stu wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:14 am

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 1:17 pm This makes a second time that the pope says something controversial in the recent past behind closed doors...

There is No Hell

Seems the pope is consistent in saying one thing publically or as pope, and thinking something that differs with RCC theology...and this from the Vicar of Christ!
.
.

He has also said "who am I to judge" in terms of gay people. So another instance were he doesn't say it is wrong. Sorry but this pope is an idiot.

But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

What verse is that in the Bible?

Am I angry, not sure, maybe hugely disappointed is better. But then I don't even think he is a Christian the way he carries on. I see the Catholic Church as a cult or sect. The way they have acted, the laws they have enacted over the many many years, they can be nothing but a cult. So far removed from the true Christian faith and Bible.

Did you know that they had a law stating that you can only get to heaven and God through the Catholic Church? That's right, no redemption through praying to God outside the Roman Catholic Church, only through the church. There are a ton of other crazy laws that are just insane. One of my favourites was that no one but church leaders were allowed to read the Bible! So the lay person was not allowed to read the Bible, and could only rely on what the priest had to say. Absolute madness.

Size does not make you right. Besides with all the intimidation that the RCC done over the years is it any surprise that they are as large as they are. Don't agree with the church - burnt at the stake. Preach a different doctrine - burnt at the stake. Do you know how many protestants they killed over the years - MILLIONS. What kind of Christian organisation does that? Insanity.

If you conform to the Bible, that is what counts. NOT the amount of churches you have or the amount of followers you have. Just look at Islam, they have plenty.

neo-x wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 2:09 am

Stu wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:51 am

neo-x wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:16 am

Stu wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:14 am

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 1:17 pm This makes a second time that the pope says something controversial in the recent past behind closed doors...

There is No Hell

Seems the pope is consistent in saying one thing publically or as pope, and thinking something that differs with RCC theology...and this from the Vicar of Christ!
.
.

He has also said "who am I to judge" in terms of gay people. So another instance were he doesn't say it is wrong. Sorry but this pope is an idiot.

But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

What verse is that in the Bible?

Am I angry, not sure, maybe hugely disappointed is better. But then I don't even think he is a Christian the way he carries on. I see the Catholic Church as a cult or sect. The way they have acted, the laws they have enacted over the many many years, they can be nothing but a cult. So far removed from the true Christian faith and Bible.

Did you know that they had a law stating that you can only get to heaven and God through the Catholic Church? That's right, no redemption through praying to God outside the Roman Catholic Church, only through the church. There are a ton of other crazy laws that are just insane. One of my favourites was that no one but church leaders were allowed to read the Bible! So the lay person was not allowed to read the Bible, and could only rely on what the priest had to say. Absolute madness.

Size does not make you right. Besides with all the intimidation that the RCC done over the years is it any surprise that they are as large as they are. Don't agree with the church - burnt at the stake. Preach a different doctrine - burnt at the stake. Do you know how many protestants they killed over the years - MILLIONS. What kind of Christian organisation does that? Insanity.

If you conform to the Bible, that is what counts. NOT the amount of churches you have or the amount of followers you have. Just look at Islam, they have plenty.

I think you are over-reacting. Of course, they had those laws. But it would be silly to judge them based on their actions from the past. FWIW, I don't think they are a cult.

melanie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:07 am God created humans. In doing so gave us the immense blessing of freewill.
In freewill lies sin.
It can’t not.
Choice as divine as it is creates a uniqueness and diversity in every person and with that creates a unique footprint for every person.
Nothing is new under the sun for God. Nothing unknown nor unforeseen.
He knows our struggles, knew it before creation. That we would struggle with pride, lust, greed ect.
God didn’t make some people Gay, he created knowing that we would all make choices defined by autonomy and freewill.
Are some people born gay? I don’t know that anymore than whether some people are born with any innate disclaimer of who or what they identity with.
I’m not saying it’s okay to be gay or not okay. I don’t care. I don’t know and
It’s not my spiritual business.
What is my business is the treatment of others. If anyone is being spoken down too or regarded as less than for any reason then I stand with them. If that’s the gay community then I stand with them. If that’s any individual or group that has been made to feel unworthy or not good enough then I stand by them also. Across the board.
Every single person is the image bearer of Christ and every person is deserving of acceptance and forgiveness. That is the message of the Gospel.

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:14 am

melanie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:07 am God created humans. In doing so gave us the immense blessing of freewill.
In freewill lies sin.
It can’t not.
Choice as divine as it is creates a uniqueness and diversity in every person and with that creates a unique footprint for every person.
Nothing is new under the sun for God. Nothing unknown nor unforeseen.
He knows our struggles, knew it before creation. That we would struggle with pride, lust, greed ect.
God didn’t make some people Gay, he created knowing that we would all make choices defined by autonomy and freewill.
Are some people born gay? I don’t know that anymore than whether some people are born with any innate disclaimer of who or what they identity with.
I’m not saying it’s okay to be gay or not okay. I don’t care. I don’t know and
It’s not my spiritual business.
What is my business is the treatment of others. If anyone is being spoken down too or regarded as less than for any reason then I stand with them. If that’s the gay community then I stand with them. If that’s any individual or group that has been made to feel unworthy or not good enough then I stand by them also. Across the board.
Every single person is the image bearer of Christ and every person is deserving of acceptance and forgiveness. That is the message of the Gospel.

I'm in agreement with you, but let me ask you a provocative question that I think hits the point on the whole about the homosexuality issue.

Does Christ's image reflect homosexuality?
.
.

melanie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:37 am

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:14 am

melanie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:07 am God created humans. In doing so gave us the immense blessing of freewill.
In freewill lies sin.
It can’t not.
Choice as divine as it is creates a uniqueness and diversity in every person and with that creates a unique footprint for every person.
Nothing is new under the sun for God. Nothing unknown nor unforeseen.
He knows our struggles, knew it before creation. That we would struggle with pride, lust, greed ect.
God didn’t make some people Gay, he created knowing that we would all make choices defined by autonomy and freewill.
Are some people born gay? I don’t know that anymore than whether some people are born with any innate disclaimer of who or what they identity with.
I’m not saying it’s okay to be gay or not okay. I don’t care. I don’t know and
It’s not my spiritual business.
What is my business is the treatment of others. If anyone is being spoken down too or regarded as less than for any reason then I stand with them. If that’s the gay community then I stand with them. If that’s any individual or group that has been made to feel unworthy or not good enough then I stand by them also. Across the board.
Every single person is the image bearer of Christ and every person is deserving of acceptance and forgiveness. That is the message of the Gospel.

I'm in agreement with you, but let me ask you a provocative question that I think hits the point on the whole about the homosexuality issue.

Does Christ's image reflect homosexuality?
.
.

Christ’s image, the image of God reflects and represents all of us. We are all born in the image of God without exception. All born equal under His Grace.
We are not born perfect nor without flaw but on even ground in the eyes of Our Father. By that token we are judged, as we all will be based on our measure and rod we use against others.
How harshly we judge others will be the rod used to judge us.
Forgiveness is Gods language and it has no bounds for its based on love and Gods love is limitless so it’s without fear.
So it’s not in fear that I reserve my judgement of others but in humility of how far I fall in so many ways.
I don’t know if being gay is wrong. But it doesn’t change my treatment of any gay person which is always with love nor does it change Jesus’ message to them which is He loves them.
What ever transpires between their relationship is theirs. It’s not mine to judge or pick apart. The message of the Gospel doesn’t suffer because of it. He loves them, gay or not. The messsage doesn’t change nor the sacrifice on the cross.
I’ll let the good Lord be the condemer and judge because I’m not qualified.

melanie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:37 am

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:14 am

melanie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:07 am God created humans. In doing so gave us the immense blessing of freewill.
In freewill lies sin.
It can’t not.
Choice as divine as it is creates a uniqueness and diversity in every person and with that creates a unique footprint for every person.
Nothing is new under the sun for God. Nothing unknown nor unforeseen.
He knows our struggles, knew it before creation. That we would struggle with pride, lust, greed ect.
God didn’t make some people Gay, he created knowing that we would all make choices defined by autonomy and freewill.
Are some people born gay? I don’t know that anymore than whether some people are born with any innate disclaimer of who or what they identity with.
I’m not saying it’s okay to be gay or not okay. I don’t care. I don’t know and
It’s not my spiritual business.
What is my business is the treatment of others. If anyone is being spoken down too or regarded as less than for any reason then I stand with them. If that’s the gay community then I stand with them. If that’s any individual or group that has been made to feel unworthy or not good enough then I stand by them also. Across the board.
Every single person is the image bearer of Christ and every person is deserving of acceptance and forgiveness. That is the message of the Gospel.

I'm in agreement with you, but let me ask you a provocative question that I think hits the point on the whole about the homosexuality issue.

Does Christ's image reflect homosexuality?
.
.

Christ’s image, the image of God reflects and represents all of us. We are all born in the image of God without exception. All born equal under His Grace.
We are not born perfect nor without flaw but on even ground in the eyes of Our Father. By that token we are judged, as we all will be based on our measure and rod we use against others.
How harshly we judge others will be the rod used to judge us.
Forgiveness is Gods language and it has no bounds for its based on love and Gods love is limitless so it’s without fear.
So it’s not in fear that I reserve my judgement of others but in humility of how far I fall in so many ways.
I don’t know if being gay is wrong. But it doesn’t change my treatment of any gay person which is always with love nor does it change Jesus’ message to them which is He loves them.
What ever transpires between their relationship is theirs. It’s not mine to judge or pick apart. The message of the Gospel doesn’t suffer because of it. He loves them, gay or not. The messsage doesn’t change nor the sacrifice on the cross.
I’ll let the good Lord be the condemer and judge because I’m not qualified.

Stu wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:40 am

melanie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:37 am

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:14 am

melanie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:07 am God created humans. In doing so gave us the immense blessing of freewill.
In freewill lies sin.
It can’t not.
Choice as divine as it is creates a uniqueness and diversity in every person and with that creates a unique footprint for every person.
Nothing is new under the sun for God. Nothing unknown nor unforeseen.
He knows our struggles, knew it before creation. That we would struggle with pride, lust, greed ect.
God didn’t make some people Gay, he created knowing that we would all make choices defined by autonomy and freewill.
Are some people born gay? I don’t know that anymore than whether some people are born with any innate disclaimer of who or what they identity with.
I’m not saying it’s okay to be gay or not okay. I don’t care. I don’t know and
It’s not my spiritual business.
What is my business is the treatment of others. If anyone is being spoken down too or regarded as less than for any reason then I stand with them. If that’s the gay community then I stand with them. If that’s any individual or group that has been made to feel unworthy or not good enough then I stand by them also. Across the board.
Every single person is the image bearer of Christ and every person is deserving of acceptance and forgiveness. That is the message of the Gospel.

I'm in agreement with you, but let me ask you a provocative question that I think hits the point on the whole about the homosexuality issue.

Does Christ's image reflect homosexuality?
.
.

Christ’s image, the image of God reflects and represents all of us. We are all born in the image of God without exception. All born equal under His Grace.
We are not born perfect nor without flaw but on even ground in the eyes of Our Father. By that token we are judged, as we all will be based on our measure and rod we use against others.
How harshly we judge others will be the rod used to judge us.
Forgiveness is Gods language and it has no bounds for its based on love and Gods love is limitless so it’s without fear.
So it’s not in fear that I reserve my judgement of others but in humility of how far I fall in so many ways.
I don’t know if being gay is wrong. But it doesn’t change my treatment of any gay person which is always with love nor does it change Jesus’ message to them which is He loves them.
What ever transpires between their relationship is theirs. It’s not mine to judge or pick apart. The message of the Gospel doesn’t suffer because of it. He loves them, gay or not. The messsage doesn’t change nor the sacrifice on the cross.
I’ll let the good Lord be the condemer and judge because I’m not qualified.

What do you mean you don't know if being gay is wrong. Of course it is, the Bible calls it an abomination. End of story.

Don't bring your feelings into it.

I don’t know if being gay is wrong.

RickD wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:54 am

Stu wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:40 am What do you mean you don't know if being gay is wrong. Of course it is, the Bible calls it an abomination. End of story.

Don't bring your feelings into it.

No it doesn't Stu. The Bible condemns homosexual acts.

RickD wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:54 am

Stu wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:40 am

melanie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:37 am

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:14 am

melanie wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:07 am God created humans. In doing so gave us the immense blessing of freewill.
In freewill lies sin.
It can’t not.
Choice as divine as it is creates a uniqueness and diversity in every person and with that creates a unique footprint for every person.
Nothing is new under the sun for God. Nothing unknown nor unforeseen.
He knows our struggles, knew it before creation. That we would struggle with pride, lust, greed ect.
God didn’t make some people Gay, he created knowing that we would all make choices defined by autonomy and freewill.
Are some people born gay? I don’t know that anymore than whether some people are born with any innate disclaimer of who or what they identity with.
I’m not saying it’s okay to be gay or not okay. I don’t care. I don’t know and
It’s not my spiritual business.
What is my business is the treatment of others. If anyone is being spoken down too or regarded as less than for any reason then I stand with them. If that’s the gay community then I stand with them. If that’s any individual or group that has been made to feel unworthy or not good enough then I stand by them also. Across the board.
Every single person is the image bearer of Christ and every person is deserving of acceptance and forgiveness. That is the message of the Gospel.

I'm in agreement with you, but let me ask you a provocative question that I think hits the point on the whole about the homosexuality issue.

Does Christ's image reflect homosexuality?
.
.

Christ’s image, the image of God reflects and represents all of us. We are all born in the image of God without exception. All born equal under His Grace.
We are not born perfect nor without flaw but on even ground in the eyes of Our Father. By that token we are judged, as we all will be based on our measure and rod we use against others.
How harshly we judge others will be the rod used to judge us.
Forgiveness is Gods language and it has no bounds for its based on love and Gods love is limitless so it’s without fear.
So it’s not in fear that I reserve my judgement of others but in humility of how far I fall in so many ways.
I don’t know if being gay is wrong. But it doesn’t change my treatment of any gay person which is always with love nor does it change Jesus’ message to them which is He loves them.
What ever transpires between their relationship is theirs. It’s not mine to judge or pick apart. The message of the Gospel doesn’t suffer because of it. He loves them, gay or not. The messsage doesn’t change nor the sacrifice on the cross.
I’ll let the good Lord be the condemer and judge because I’m not qualified.

What do you mean you don't know if being gay is wrong. Of course it is, the Bible calls it an abomination. End of story.

Don't bring your feelings into it.

No it doesn't Stu. The Bible condemns homosexual acts.

Philip wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 9:56 am

I don’t know if being gay is wrong.

But that isn't really the question, is it? Having struggles against whatever sins we are attracted and tempted to commit - temptation is not sin (unless one causes it). But GIVING IN to certain things God says are sin - behavior and actions that God calls wrong - that is precisely what sin is. So, the question is, are homosexual behaviors and actions sin or not? Scripture repeatedly says it is wrong - even calling it an "abomination." Are those Scriptures WRONG - are they not God-given, by God's handpicked prophets and apostles - as we see a uniform teaching across the Bible about this. Note, there is not ONE Scriptural example of righteous behavior including gay activities or unions - actually, quite the opposite. So it matters not one hill of beans whether I or anyone else thinks this is sin or not. What should matter, is what God thinks about it! And no one taking Scripture seriously can deny God hates it. But he also hates adultery between heterosexuals, lusts of all manner for things that are not ours, or that are unhealthy for us. We are to love the sinner, hate the things God calls sin!

Read through this and the embedded, relevant Scriptures!

https://www.gotquestions.org/gay-marriage.html