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abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmIt is not Republican or Democrat ideas,it is Nationalism - putting America and the American people first.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmOf course,we are transitioning away from the faiiled politics of the past but it takes time.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmDonald Trump fights every day for the ideas he ran on which are all about putting America first instead of the Deep State like in the past.

"You just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received. You haven’t gotten one in more than 10 years — more than 10 years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one. They said: 'You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent.' I said: 'No. Make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent. Because it's been a long time. It's been more than 10 years. That's a long time. And, you know, you really put yourselves out there, and you put your lives out there. So congratulations."

• They hadn't gone ten years without a raise. They get one every year.

• Trump had nothing to do with the raise. It's tied increases in private sector wages.

• There was no fight over whether or not there should be a raise or how much it should be. Both things are automatic, based on previously written rules.

• The raise was not 10%, it was 2.6%

• Congress can also enact raises that exceed that rate, so if Trump had felt like it he actually could have fought for the troops to get the raise he claimed that he got them. He just didn't.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmThe Democrats you support refuse to put America and the American people first like the US Constitution says they should do. Your Democrat leaders are traitors to the US Constitution they swore to uphold and defend but have totally abandoned it and instead of putting US citezens first they put illegal immigrants first.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmYou cannot swear to uphold and defend the US Constitution when you're sworn into office and then abandon it is a Federal crime to do so.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmIt does not matter why you are doing it,how much money you're being paid,or being blackmailed,etc,it is a real Federal Crime. It is no different than if somebody was paying you to rob a bank you would be prosecuted for it regardless.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmAnd this is not just name calling like you Democrats do to us calling us racists,bigots,deplorables,etc this is real treason going on and it is a crime.

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic – Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but — he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:21 am

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmIt is not Republican or Democrat ideas,it is Nationalism - putting America and the American people first.

Again, it would be Democratic ideas, because you're describing what you believe to be ideas that originated with the Democratic Party. Refusing to acknowledge that simple fact is idiotic.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmOf course,we are transitioning away from the faiiled politics of the past but it takes time.

Which policies are those? Please be specific.

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abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmDonald Trump fights every day for the ideas he ran on which are all about putting America first instead of the Deep State like in the past.

I think he actually spends most of his time watching FOX and Friends, undermining his staff, playing golf, and lying.

Did you catch the whopper he told when he visited the troops in Iraq? In case you didn't, here it is:

"You just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received. You haven’t gotten one in more than 10 years — more than 10 years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one. They said: 'You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent.' I said: 'No. Make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent. Because it's been a long time. It's been more than 10 years. That's a long time. And, you know, you really put yourselves out there, and you put your lives out there. So congratulations."

He actually said that. As the Commander-in-Chief, during a visit to American troops in a combat zone. He actually stood there and told them a string of bold-faced lies.

• They hadn't gone ten years without a raise. They get one every year.

• Trump had nothing to do with the raise. It's tied increases in private sector wages.

• There was no fight over whether or not there should be a raise or how much it should be. Both things are automatic, based on previously written rules.

• The raise was not 10%, it was 2.6%

• Congress can also enact raises that exceed that rate, so if Trump had felt like it he actually could have fought for the troops to get the raise he claimed that he got them. He just didn't.

In summation, Trump demonstrated his great respect and admiration for our troops by doing absolutely nothing for them even though he could have, falsely claiming that they hadn't gotten a raise in a decade (great for morale, I imagine), pretending that he'd fought to get them a raise, taking credit for said raise even though he had nothing to do with it, and claiming that the raise was four times larger than it actually was.

Abe, Donald J. Trump is a piece of [poop].

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmThe Democrats you support refuse to put America and the American people first like the US Constitution says they should do. Your Democrat leaders are traitors to the US Constitution they swore to uphold and defend but have totally abandoned it and instead of putting US citezens first they put illegal immigrants first.

You're so confused.

Nobody is arguing that illegal immigrants should be allowed to walk right into the country and go about their business. Nobody is arguing that illegal immigrants should have more rights than citizens. Nobody is claiming that illegal immigrants should be able to vote. The people telling you otherwise are lying to you.

Can you even give me a specific example of what you mean by "putting illegal immigrants first?" And remember, I'm asking for something specific, not the usual vague rambling about the Deep State, followed by the definition of treason and some inaccurate claims about the Constitution and the "Democrat Party." Specific, Abe. Specific.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmYou cannot swear to uphold and defend the US Constitution when you're sworn into office and then abandon it is a Federal crime to do so.

The problem with your argument is that the Constitution is open to interpretation. That's a feature, not a bug. The Founding Fathers weren't perfect, but they were wise enough to understand that the world would change and the nation would need to adapt, so they wrote a Constitution that had more guidelines and guiding principles than hard and fast rules. Unfortunately, you don't understand that. From where you stand, government actions you agree with are Constitutional and those that you don't support are treasonous. That's a childish, ignorant position.

Beyond that, your claim that the treason in question is failure to "put America first" is so vague and subjective that it's pretty much nonsensical. To me, putting America first means putting the needs of American citizens over the short-term profits of a few multinational corporations. Trump signed a trade deal that saddled the majority of us - you and me included - with a massive increase in the national debt and really only benefited a handful of people who already had far more than they needed. Historically, when the gap between the ultra rich and everyone else gets to be too wide nations tend to become unstable. Often they collapse into civil war. To me, anyone who screws the many to benefit the few is weakening our nation, not putting it first.

To you, by comparison, it's enough to spout racist, jingoistic nonsense and talk tough rather than truthfully. You simply don't know enough about the world as it actually is to understand that many of Trump's policies are meant to achieve short-term gains with no thought for their long-term consequences. Trump doesn't tell it like it is, he tells it like fearful, angry, ignorant people incorrectly believe it is. He probably knows better, although at this point I'm not sure.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmIt does not matter why you are doing it,how much money you're being paid,or being blackmailed,etc,it is a real Federal Crime. It is no different than if somebody was paying you to rob a bank you would be prosecuted for it regardless.

This is obviously true. It's also irrelevant because it's based on the assumption that a bunch of nonsensical conspiracy theories and a massive hoax are true. They're not. There is no huge, international child sex trafficking ring led by all of the politicians who don't like Trump or favor international trade deals. Mueller isn't investigating Hillary Clinton. Internment camps aren't being built because the Army isn't poised to arrest thousands of Deep State operatives. None of it is real, Abe. It's a fantasy.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 pmAnd this is not just name calling like you Democrats do to us calling us racists,bigots,deplorables,etc this is real treason going on and it is a crime.

You're exhausting.

Abe, the GOP has been working hard to disenfranchise Black, Native, and Latino voters by culling them from voting rolls, closing polling places in their neighborhoods, and strong-arming get out the vote organizations. That's racist. Trump also enjoys the strong support of every White nationalist group out there. Hmmm. The GOP is also the party that tried so hard to prevent homosexuals from having the same civil rights as heterosexuals. That's bigotry.

Regarding "deplorables," that's just a quote taken out of context. Here's the whole thing:

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic – Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but — he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

In other words, a lot of Trump's supporters are deplorable. This is true. Trump has the unwavering support of the Klan, the White nationalists, and every racist uncle that's ever made Thanksgiving dinner uncomfortable. Every single closed-minded bigot that I personally know has a Trump sticker on his car.

But, in the second half of the quote - the part that the GOP pretends never happened and the media hardly even mentioned - Clinton also directly addressed the real, pressing concerns of the workers who felt left behind and abandoned and just wanted to be taken seriously.

So yeah, if you're driving around with a Deplorable bumper sticker then you're either ignorant of what was actually said (willfully or otherwise) or you're a proud racist, sexist, xenophobic ******* feeling empowered by the Trump White House.

Philip wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:23 pm Not so fast!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... a-46775308

Philip wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:14 pm Edwardo, don't so easily take the ACB bait - enticing though it is!

DBowling wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:45 pmI was happy to hear a voice of reason coming out of the administration on Syria.

Unfortunately voices of reason are often publicly squashed by Trump, even when those voices of reason are top officials in his administration.
I hope Bolton is right here.

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:53 am

DBowling wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:45 pmI was happy to hear a voice of reason coming out of the administration on Syria.

Unfortunately voices of reason are often publicly squashed by Trump, even when those voices of reason are top officials in his administration.
I hope Bolton is right here.

I find it alarming that we're reduced to relying on John Bolton to be the voice of reason. He's a vocal proponent of regime change in Iran. As bad as the Trump Administration is, at least we're not engaged in a proxy war in Iran. Bolton would like to change that.

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:53 am

DBowling wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:45 pmI was happy to hear a voice of reason coming out of the administration on Syria.

Unfortunately voices of reason are often publicly squashed by Trump, even when those voices of reason are top officials in his administration.
I hope Bolton is right here.

I find it alarming that we're reduced to relying on John Bolton to be the voice of reason. He's a vocal proponent of regime change in Iran. As bad as the Trump Administration is, at least we're not engaged in a proxy war in Iran. Bolton would like to change that.

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:41 pm Abe, we're all grownups here. We know that treason is really a real crime that's real. You don't have to convince us of that fact. The important question isn't "Is treason a crime?" it's "Was treason committed, and if so when and by whom?"

My position on the matter is that I don't currently know, but the combination of the Mueller investigation and the upcoming House investigations just might answer that question. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised - Trump really is that big a scumbag - but I'll make up mind when there's more evidence to weigh.

Also, I think that some of Trump's actions are criminal because that's where the evidence points. How he talks isn't a factor. You can talk like a conman and a gangster without actually being either.

I think that when you go off about how I'm brainwashed by the liberal media (which doesn't actually exist) and the Democrat Party (which isn't real either) you're projecting. You literally get your news from cranks and crackpots on Reddit and YouTube and if you've ever had a thought of your own you opted not to share it. I'm not the one being conned, Abe.

Philip wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:39 am There's nothing wrong with desiring regime change in Iran AS LONG AS it doesn't involved attempting to destabilize it by creating either civil war or attacking and occupying it. Severe sanctions are good, etc. Discouraging other countries - even penalizing them - for doing business with Iran - fine. But creating a power vacuum or civil war - VERY bad!!! The people of Iran need to bring the old Mullahs' rule to an end - and we should be supportive of that. But even so, it is unlikely to occur without massive bloodshed. Believe me, the people absolutely hate their rulers - particularly the young!