Evidence for God from Science

Rick: Uncertain? If you mean that there’s no evidence that someone can get COVID-19 again, I agree. Just like there's really no evidence that those who have the virus but are asymptomatic, are causing others to get sick.

All I know is, given the potential for oneself and others - IF one can catch it a second time - is wearing a mask really such a big deal? I'd rather err on the side of caution.

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:56 pm

Husband of Mrs. Masochist wrote:
It ain’t fun wearing a mask. I won’t wear one until it becomes mandatory but my wife (who isn’t delinquent like me and cares for the poor, the downtrodden and the sick) wears one religiously.

You said that you and your wife both already recovered from COVID-19.

Why on earth would either of you wear a mask?

She got it, I may have had it. She cares about you (plural), I don’t give a damn.

Does this answer your question?

Fliegender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:41 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:56 pm

Husband of Mrs. Masochist wrote:
It ain’t fun wearing a mask. I won’t wear one until it becomes mandatory but my wife (who isn’t delinquent like me and cares for the poor, the downtrodden and the sick) wears one religiously.

You said that you and your wife both already recovered from COVID-19.

Why on earth would either of you wear a mask?

She got it, I may have had it. She cares about you (plural), I don’t give a damn.

Does this answer your question?

No. If she’s had it, and has recovered, there’s no evidence that shows she can get it again. So, even if she’s a mask advocate, there’s no reason for her to wear a mask.

Philip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:29 pm

Rick: Uncertain? If you mean that there’s no evidence that someone can get COVID-19 again, I agree. Just like there's really no evidence that those who have the virus but are asymptomatic, are causing others to get sick.

All I know is, given the potential for oneself and others - IF one can catch it a second time - is wearing a mask really such a big deal? I'd rather err on the side of caution.

For some, it is a big deal. We’re told in the absence of proper social distancing, people should wear masks. I wear a mask all day at work. When I go out to public buildings(rarely) I go places that I can stay away from people. So yes, wearing a mask in public is a big deal for me. And anyone worried about whether or not I have COVID-19, shouldn’t come near me, right?

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:48 pm

Fliegender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:41 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:56 pm

Husband of Mrs. Masochist wrote:
It ain’t fun wearing a mask. I won’t wear one until it becomes mandatory but my wife (who isn’t delinquent like me and cares for the poor, the downtrodden and the sick) wears one religiously.

You said that you and your wife both already recovered from COVID-19.

Why on earth would either of you wear a mask?

She got it, I may have had it. She cares about you (plural), I don’t give a damn.

Does this answer your question?

No. If she’s had it, and has recovered, there’s no evidence that shows she can get it again. So, even if she’s a mask advocate, there’s no reason for her to wear a mask.

Nope. Immunity has been shown to be restricted in time. In English: you are not protected from a future infection after a certain time. Immunity isn’t forever like in polio. Personally, I don’t care one way or another and will only wear a mask if it prevents me from getting a fine.

In places where the mask is mandatory and fines are imposed for not wearing one, a mask protects you from the fine.

Fliegender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:59 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:48 pm

Fliegender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:41 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:56 pm

Husband of Mrs. Masochist wrote:
It ain’t fun wearing a mask. I won’t wear one until it becomes mandatory but my wife (who isn’t delinquent like me and cares for the poor, the downtrodden and the sick) wears one religiously.

You said that you and your wife both already recovered from COVID-19.

Why on earth would either of you wear a mask?

She got it, I may have had it. She cares about you (plural), I don’t give a damn.

Does this answer your question?

No. If she’s had it, and has recovered, there’s no evidence that shows she can get it again. So, even if she’s a mask advocate, there’s no reason for her to wear a mask.

Nope. Immunity has been shown to be restricted in time. In English: you are not protected from a future infection after a certain time. Immunity isn’t forever like in polio. Personally, I don’t care one way or another and will only wear a mask if it prevents me from getting a fine.

In places where the mask is mandatory and fines are imposed for not wearing one, a mask protects you from the fine.

As I understand it, once one builds an immunity to a particular strain, one cannot get that same strain again. So, does your wife normally wear masks during flu season?

This is fairly terrible news.

Interpretation

The majority of the Spanish population is seronegative to SARS-CoV-2 infection, even in hotspot areas. Most PCR-confirmed cases have detectable antibodies, but a substantial proportion of people with symptoms compatible with COVID-19 did not have a PCR test and at least a third of infections determined by serology were asymptomatic. These results emphasise the need for maintaining public health measures to avoid a new epidemic wave.

In other words, hardly anybody in Spain has Covid-19 antibodies despite the fact that they had a massive outbreak, and it's not looking good for herd immunity.

Granted, it's just one more data point, but it's bad news.

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:09 pm ...
As I understand it, once one builds an immunity to a particular strain, one cannot get that same strain again. So, does your wife normally wear masks during flu season?

You understand it wrong. The current thinking is that immunity is temporary for many - or some - who have recovered from COVID-19. Temporary immunity lasting a few weeks to a few months....just like the common cold: there is some immunity for some time but not for long. So it’s possible to be reinfected by this corona virus, or to infect others if a person is asymptomatic.

The reason why countries like Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia and many others have been able to contain the spread of this infection is because of the public health measures taken by authorities.

You understand it wrong. The current thinking is that immunity is temporary for many - or some - who have recovered from COVID-19. Temporary immunity lasting a few weeks to a few months....just like the common cold: there is some immunity for some time but not for long. So it’s possible to be reinfected by this corona virus, or to infect others if a person is asymptomatic.

Ok. Show me the evidence that this is correct. I’ve yet to see any evidence that someone can get COVID-19 twice. I’ve not even seen any “current thinking” agreeing with what you’re saying, either.

I know you’re French, so evidence por favor.

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:52 pm This is fairly terrible news.

Interpretation

The majority of the Spanish population is seronegative to SARS-CoV-2 infection, even in hotspot areas. Most PCR-confirmed cases have detectable antibodies, but a substantial proportion of people with symptoms compatible with COVID-19 did not have a PCR test and at least a third of infections determined by serology were asymptomatic. These results emphasise the need for maintaining public health measures to avoid a new epidemic wave.

In other words, hardly anybody in Spain has Covid-19 antibodies despite the fact that they had a massive outbreak, and it's not looking good for herd immunity.

Granted, it's just one more data point, but it's bad news.

The only thing I got out of reading that article, is a headache.

But, if herd immunity turns out to be unattainable, then the future vaccine they’re going to push on us, will be useless.

I jump to conclusions due to my Trump Derangement Syndrome wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:16 pm

You understand it wrong. The current thinking is that immunity is temporary for many - or some - who have recovered from COVID-19. Temporary immunity lasting a few weeks to a few months....just like the common cold: there is some immunity for some time but not for long. So it’s possible to be reinfected by this corona virus, or to infect others if a person is asymptomatic.

Ok. Show me the evidence that this is correct. I’ve yet to see any evidence that someone can get COVID-19 twice. I’ve not even seen any “current thinking” agreeing with what you’re saying, either.

I know you’re French, so evidence por favor.

Read my post again, slowly.. I wrote, “The current thinking is that immunity is temporary... “ and I went on lo liken it to the immunity one gets after a cold: temporary immunity. Notice the term “current thinking”? At this point, there is only anecdotal evidence and informed opinion around immunity or lack of immunity around COVID-19. If you want to see it, google the appropriate terms/questions.

And don’t go hiding your head in the sand because of how TDS is affecting you.

Fliegender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:48 am

I jump to conclusions due to my Trump Derangement Syndrome wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:16 pm

You understand it wrong. The current thinking is that immunity is temporary for many - or some - who have recovered from COVID-19. Temporary immunity lasting a few weeks to a few months....just like the common cold: there is some immunity for some time but not for long. So it’s possible to be reinfected by this corona virus, or to infect others if a person is asymptomatic.

Ok. Show me the evidence that this is correct. I’ve yet to see any evidence that someone can get COVID-19 twice. I’ve not even seen any “current thinking” agreeing with what you’re saying, either.

I know you’re French, so evidence por favor.

Read my post again, slowly.. I wrote, “The current thinking is that immunity is temporary... “ and I went on lo liken it to the immunity one gets after a cold: temporary immunity. Notice the term “current thinking”? At this point, there is only anecdotal evidence and informed opinion around immunity or lack of immunity around COVID-19. If you want to see it, google the appropriate terms/questions.

And don’t go hiding your head in the sand because of how TDS is affecting you.

So I’ll take that as a “no, I have no evidence of what I just claimed.”

Thanks for clearing it up.

Paranoia is running amok with this virus. It’s bordering on insanity.

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:37 pmBut, if herd immunity turns out to be unattainable, then the future vaccine they’re going to push on us, will be useless.

Or the vaccine would either require a booster or two to be fully effective, or be an annual shot like we have now for the flu. In that instance we'd have good years, where the vaccine lined up well with the most prevalent strains of the virus, and bad years where it missed and lots of people got sick. That would be very bad, because Covid-19 is much more dangerous than the flu.

It would be interesting to know, of those that have died that were young, healthy, and without any significant immune issues - how cavalier and careless were they about social distance and using masks in close public situations. Cause those people - now dead and gone, sure aren't a figment of our imaginations or mere paranoia! I have auto-immune issues, so I lean toward reasonable cautions. Yes, they're a bit inconvenient - so what.

Record deaths and new cases surging - hey, here's an executive decision from Disney in Florida:

https://www.wistv.com/2020/07/11/disney ... e-florida/

To be clear - I have no problem with re-opening. But the stupid just don't seem to get it - and many of them WILL! The problem is that so many people don't think it's a thing to even be concerned about.