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Yes, I got Covid and recovered. It was nothing really, a few days of nausea and headaches. I’ll still get the vaccine because I want the written confirmation that will allow me to travel to Europe next summer without worrying EU customs officers.
You actually care about the feelings of EU customs officers?Fliegender wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:40 pmYes, I got Covid and recovered. It was nothing really, a few days of nausea and headaches. I’ll still get the vaccine because I want the written confirmation that will allow me to travel to Europe next summer without worrying EU customs officers.
It’s not about feelings. Customs officers are there to protect a nation against all manner of threats. They have a right to refuse entry to anyone who may be breaking their laws or who is a security threat. A Covid vaccine and the accompanying certificate (or a future Covid passport) just makes entry into a foreign country that much easier.
Thank God. I thought you were going soft on us.FL wrote:
It’s not about feelings.
I agree. My concerns, not fears, about these particular vaccines are indeed rational, and based on facts and science.I’m willing to make life easier on myself and have no irrational fears about vaccinations.
1. You don’t really need the vaccine if you don’t intend to travel across an international border.Themoonlandingswerefilmedinthearizonadesert! wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:53 amThank God. I thought you were going soft on us.FL wrote:
It’s not about feelings.
I agree. My concerns, not fears, about these particular vaccines are indeed rational, and based on facts and science.I’m willing to make life easier on myself and have no irrational fears about vaccinations.
And besides, there’s no reason for me to fear a vaccine that I’ll never get. That would be irrational.
Don’t you wonder why some will require a vaccine “card”, yet they won’t accept that you already have natural immunity to the virus? Why not have an antibody “card”, showing that you have the antibodies?
And researching the pros and cons of any subject is done by people who have an open mind. But hey, if you want to trust the word of those who are profiting off of your ignorance, feel free.inThePocketofBigPharma wrote:
2. Vaccine research is serious. Anti-vaxx “research” is done by nutcases surfing the internet while pooping on the John...
Blood test for me was free at my job. And I was on the clock when I had blood drawn. But the vaccine would also have been free if I wanted it. But I decided to think of someone else other than myself. I graciously gave up my vaccine, so another person could be poisoned would be saved from a 99.5% recovery rate a horrible virus.3. Because getting a vaccine is a lot simpler - not to mention much cheaper - than going through the necessary blood tests and lab work to show you have the antibodies. The vaccine card is there to prove you have the antibodies. When I cross a border with my dog, Customs & Border Patrol officers want to see proof that my dog has her rabies shot. They don’t just take my word for it, nor should they.
Nope. The anti-vaxxers I’ve read about were all off the wall: the type of people who believe in conspiracy theories. Then there are those who are just afraid because they have third-handily heard about a bogus 1990s study by a British scientist who claimed vaccines cause autism. He was a fraud but he still has a significant following.Theboogeymanhaseatenmybrain wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:20 am
...researching the pros and cons of any subject is done by people who have an open mind. But hey, if you want to trust the word of those who are profiting off of your ignorance, feel free.
As I’ve said before, I don’t care about the virus one way or another. A vaccine and it’s accompanying certificate is all I care about. Customs officers will want to see that certificate only and are not going to be impressed by some hospital document they can’t understand saying you have this-or-that antibody. Customs officers want to see a concise document; that’s why you need a passport. You can’t just bring a bunch of papers saying you’re a fine upstanding citizen. Ditto for proof of Covid immunity. Get it?!Blood test for me was free at my job. And I was on the clock when I had blood drawn. But the vaccine would also have been free if I wanted it. But I decided to think of someone else other than myself. I graciously gave up my vaccine, so another person could be poisoned would be saved from a 99.5% recovery rate a horrible virus.
You’ve read about? Really? The great traveler you are, and you don’t know people who are skeptical of a rushed vaccine, for a virus that has a 99% recovery rate?FL wrote:
Nope. The anti-vaxxers I’ve read about were all off the wall: the type of people who believe in conspiracy theories. Then there are those who are just afraid because they have third-handily heard about a bogus 1990s study by a British scientist who claimed vaccines cause autism. He was a fraud but he still has a significant following.
Of course there are healthcare professionals who refuse to get the vaccine and they may have legitimate personal- or spurious-reasons for their choice. That’s irrelevant. The majority of healthcare workers get vaccinated and are not frightened by the anti-vaxxers whom - I repeat - largely get their information from nutcases on the web with an axe to grind.
Of course there are healthcare professionals who refuse to get the vaccine and they may have legitimate personal- or spurious-reasons for their choice. That’s irrelevant. The majority of healthcare workers get vaccinated and are not frightened by the anti-vaxxers whom - I repeat - largely get their information from nutcases on the web with an axe to grind.
You are forgiven, my child. Recite 3 Hail Marys for your penance.EssentialSacrifice wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:18 pm apologies folks I submitted this to the wrong post.
It seems like you’re suggesting that those you choose not to get the Covid vaccine are frightened by some kind of conspiratorial anti-vaxxer. I did an informal poll at my hospital last year, around the time that we were expecting the vaccine to arrive. I asked about 30-35 random people who worked at the hospital, most of whom were nurses, if they were going to get the vaccine. More than half said they’d be willing to lose their jobs if it came to mandatory Covid vaccines in the workplace. And the overwhelming majority said they weren’t going to get the vaccine because there were no studies on the long term effects of a rushed vaccine.FL wrote:
Of course there are healthcare professionals who refuse to get the vaccine and they may have legitimate personal- or spurious-reasons for their choice. That’s irrelevant. The majority of healthcare workers get vaccinated and are not frightened by the anti-vaxxers whom - I repeat - largely get their information from nutcases on the web with an axe to grind.
And you’re sure the hospitalizations and deaths are down because of vaccines? It has nothing to do with the fact that people know how to treat patients better, and the fact that many people already have natural immunity to the virus because their bodies have produced antibodies? Do you know how many people were like me, and had no idea they fought off Covid because we had no symptoms?What’s telling is that infection rates, hospitalizations and deaths are down in every country where the vaccination campaign is underway. Every single country. The USA which was the worst hit globally thanks to the ineptitude of the previous administration, is on its way to getting the pandemic controlled...thanks to the vaccinations.
That was your informal poll last year. It was taken at an emotionally charged time when research into this vaccine was still young...and you must remember the lunacy coming out of the Oval Office which many Americans swallowed whole. It’s only an anecdotal poll anyway and has even less meaning now when the vaccines have so far been proven to be safe. Even the recent “worry” around the AstraZeneca vaccine is largely baseless (30 people out of 5 million vaccinated have had a serious side-effect not necessarily attributable to the vaccine). So yes, fear, misinformation and ignorance are the reasons for people refusing to be vaccinated. (In the U.S. there’s probably a cultural component as well.)RickD wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:54 pm
It seems like you’re suggesting that those you choose not to get the Covid vaccine are frightened by some kind of conspiratorial anti-vaxxer. I did an informal poll at my hospital last year, around the time that we were expecting the vaccine to arrive. I asked about 30-35 random people who worked at the hospital, most of whom were nurses, if they were going to get the vaccine. More than half said they’d be willing to lose their jobs if it came to mandatory Covid vaccines in the workplace. And the overwhelming majority said they weren’t going to get the vaccine because there were no studies on the long term effects of a rushed vaccine.
This has nothing to do with some idea that you have about anti-
Yes, hospitalizations and deaths are down because of the vaccination campaign. That’s the only reason. It’s true everywhere there’s a vaccination campaign in progress. It’s true in the U.S since the Biden administration took over and only since then. Better hospital care is only possible when staff isn’t overworked. Less sick people = better care for those who are hospitalized.wrote: And you’re sure the hospitalizations and deaths are down because of vaccines? It has nothing to do with the fact that people know how to treat patients better, and the fact that many people already have natural immunity to the virus because their bodies have produced antibodies? Do you know how many people were like me, and had no idea they fought off Covid because we had no symptoms?
You’re seriously blaming the Trump administration for Covid deaths?
Seriously?