Re: Derek Chauvin Found Guilty
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:28 pm
Or how about LeBron, King of Wokeness:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/lebron-j ... youre-next
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/lebron-j ... youre-next
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
https://discussions.godandscience.org/
I’m certainly not a leftist...lol. I’m fiscally conservative and socially liberal. That said, both the Democrats and the Republicans would be right-wing parties in any other Western country. The Republicans are further right than the Dems and Prophet Trump (pbuh) managed to drag that party almost to fascism’s doorstep.RickD wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:28 pm Or how about LeBron, King of Wokeness:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/lebron-j ... youre-next
What’s ironic, is that your first statement is claiming you’re not a leftist, then everything you said after that proves you are. You absolutely are race baiting. And just like other leftists, you can’t see that it’s a problem. There’s a huge problem with fatherless homes with black families in the US. But to leftists like yourself, it’s simply race. It’s wrong, and does nobody any good to claim race is the issue. Nobody’s race is keeping anyone here from having the opportunity to succeed. But your leftist race baiting and excuses keep people from thinking they can succeed if they put their minds to it, make good choices in life, and put in some effort.Fliegender wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:08 pmI’m certainly not a leftist...lol. I’m fiscally conservative and socially liberal. That said, both the Democrats and the Republicans would be right-wing parties in any other Western country. The Republicans are further right than the Dems and Prophet Trump (pbuh) managed to drag that party almost to fascism’s doorstep.RickD wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:28 pm Or how about LeBron, King of Wokeness:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/lebron-j ... youre-next
Quoting Fox and Dinesh to back your point is...uh...nonsensical. Mainstream American media - including CNN - doesn’t have much credibility outside the USA because of the highly polarized nature of their reporting. Their “reporting” sounds more like yellow journalism or editorializing to me.
I not doing any “race baiting”. It should be obvious to anyone that the USA has a serious problem with racism. Unfortunately, you may not be able to see it when you live in the country...or you really believe that non-whites have the same real world opportunities as whites. That isn’t even the case in other countries but only in the USA is the difference so marked.
Listen, that’s just your culture. I’m fine with it and all the other aspects of American life. I even enjoyed Prophet Trump (pbuh) for the four years he spent making America a laughing stock and making a fool of himself. The news media lost their biggest cash cow when he was defeated! None of this affects me one way or another because I don’t live in the USA. I always appreciate my trips to the USA as a tourist.
This I agree with immensely! Our SYSTEM is not racist - no more than any other system in the world is. Now, that doesn't mean there aren't problems with our system or others. But what IS racist are PEOPLE within EVERY system. And it's mostly about power, greed, and the sinful, narcissistic human tendency to desire control over others and maximize their own power, rewards and evil desires. And this ALWAYS, regardless of the country and system, plays out with the people of any society that have the majority of the power and money vs. those that do not. It just happens that this powerplay often takes place here in the U.S., by a certain percentage of people in the majority, along racial lines, because race is very easy to use and exploit (and don't fool yourself, Rick, there are plenty of every political persuasion that do this!). And the larger the population numbers of a racial majority, the more the racial minority will experience racism - simply because a certain percent of people of EVERY race are going to have racist tendencies and thus there will automatically be more racially negative people in the majority - which disproportionately will impact minorities. And such attitudes will always stoke and created racist reactions amongst the minority - even though they often DO have reasons to be upset with the racism they encounter.Rick: Sin is ingrained in humanity. People are sinners, and racism is a sin. As soon as you remove sin from humanity, then you’ll remove racism. Racism isn’t restricted to the History of the US. It’s in history everywhere.
This is race baiting, and completely false.Fliegender wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:34 pm ^^^^
Re post above.
Nope, I’m not race baiting because that’s not part of my culture; it’s part of yours so that’s what you interpret. Race isn’t important to me and problematic race relations here as in most other Western nations are minimal compared to what goes on in America. I just accept America’s racial and other problems as cultural markers. The problems in your society as well as the positive aspects are what make up American culture. Period.
It may help you to understand my point by looking at a third country as an example: Saudi Arabia. You and I may find Saudi penalties for theft, murder and rape to be over-the-top. You and I may find that Saudi laws pertaining to women to be medieval or backwards. You and I may find the impossibility to buy alcohol in Saudi to be something good...and so on. All these things and more make up Saudi culture. The Saudis may run their country as they see fit and according to their culture, not yours or mine. I’m not going to tell the Saudis not to behead harlots or chop the hand off of a thief because that’s an integral part of their culture.
Get it?
The facts do not bear this out.The USA has a serious problem with racism and police brutality towards the black population. It’s time to recognize that and to take steps to change the situation.
Nope, there’s no race baiting. You are just seeing that because you’re American. You see what you want to see, what you’ve been accustomed to see from Americans. Here’s another example:RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:53 pmThis is race baiting, and completely false.Fliegender wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:34 pm ^^^^
Re post above.
Nope, I’m not race baiting because that’s not part of my culture; it’s part of yours so that’s what you interpret. Race isn’t important to me and problematic race relations here as in most other Western nations are minimal compared to what goes on in America. I just accept America’s racial and other problems as cultural markers. The problems in your society as well as the positive aspects are what make up American culture. Period.
It may help you to understand my point by looking at a third country as an example: Saudi Arabia. You and I may find Saudi penalties for theft, murder and rape to be over-the-top. You and I may find that Saudi laws pertaining to women to be medieval or backwards. You and I may find the impossibility to buy alcohol in Saudi to be something good...and so on. All these things and more make up Saudi culture. The Saudis may run their country as they see fit and according to their culture, not yours or mine. I’m not going to tell the Saudis not to behead harlots or chop the hand off of a thief because that’s an integral part of their culture.
Get it?
You wrote:The facts do not bear this out.The USA has a serious problem with racism and police brutality towards the black population. It’s time to recognize that and to take steps to change the situation.
Sorry but to be frank you are talking nonsense. Racism is an issue in many countries around the world. Have you seen the things going on in the UK right now especially football, huge race issues.Fliegender wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:06 pmNope, there’s no race baiting. You are just seeing that because you’re American. You see what you want to see, what you’ve been accustomed to see from Americans. Here’s another example:RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:53 pmThis is race baiting, and completely false.Fliegender wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:34 pm ^^^^
Re post above.
Nope, I’m not race baiting because that’s not part of my culture; it’s part of yours so that’s what you interpret. Race isn’t important to me and problematic race relations here as in most other Western nations are minimal compared to what goes on in America. I just accept America’s racial and other problems as cultural markers. The problems in your society as well as the positive aspects are what make up American culture. Period.
It may help you to understand my point by looking at a third country as an example: Saudi Arabia. You and I may find Saudi penalties for theft, murder and rape to be over-the-top. You and I may find that Saudi laws pertaining to women to be medieval or backwards. You and I may find the impossibility to buy alcohol in Saudi to be something good...and so on. All these things and more make up Saudi culture. The Saudis may run their country as they see fit and according to their culture, not yours or mine. I’m not going to tell the Saudis not to behead harlots or chop the hand off of a thief because that’s an integral part of their culture.
Get it?
You wrote:The facts do not bear this out.The USA has a serious problem with racism and police brutality towards the black population. It’s time to recognize that and to take steps to change the situation.
Someone in France just wrote to me complaining that Pakistan has just made it a crime to dishonor "Prophet" Muhammad and this person wanted me to sign some on-line petition against this Pakistani law. I refused. I answered that countries have the right to promulgate laws according to the local culture. I have no problem with Pakistani laws and if I ever visit that country, I certainly won’t carry a sign saying PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS A PEDOPHILE! in the streets of Islamabad.
That’s Pakistan. It’s just the way the country is run. If I travel there, I’ll respect the local laws and the local culture. Still, I may think their laws are full of it but I’m only a tourist and I’ll be gone in a few weeks.
Back in the USA: is there a serious race problem in your country? Yes, and it’s historically bad. Much worse than anywhere else. Is there a gun problem in the USA? Of course there is as no other Western nation needs “active shooter” drills for school children. Do some Americans go bankrupt because of medical bills? Yes, of course but that’s part of your charm. I would never sign a petition against any of these things because they are the choices Americans have made for their country.
So there’s no race baiting on my part. Racism exists in the USA; the problem is serious but it doesn’t affect me. Actually, I remember a time in Georgia when your country‘s racism benefited me...but that’s another story.
So, you don’t try to change Pakistani laws even if you don’t like the laws. So, what current laws in the US are racist, besides affirmative action laws?Fliegender wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:06 pmNope, there’s no race baiting. You are just seeing that because you’re American. You see what you want to see, what you’ve been accustomed to see from Americans. Here’s another example:RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:53 pmThis is race baiting, and completely false.Fliegender wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:34 pm ^^^^
Re post above.
Nope, I’m not race baiting because that’s not part of my culture; it’s part of yours so that’s what you interpret. Race isn’t important to me and problematic race relations here as in most other Western nations are minimal compared to what goes on in America. I just accept America’s racial and other problems as cultural markers. The problems in your society as well as the positive aspects are what make up American culture. Period.
It may help you to understand my point by looking at a third country as an example: Saudi Arabia. You and I may find Saudi penalties for theft, murder and rape to be over-the-top. You and I may find that Saudi laws pertaining to women to be medieval or backwards. You and I may find the impossibility to buy alcohol in Saudi to be something good...and so on. All these things and more make up Saudi culture. The Saudis may run their country as they see fit and according to their culture, not yours or mine. I’m not going to tell the Saudis not to behead harlots or chop the hand off of a thief because that’s an integral part of their culture.
Get it?
You wrote:The facts do not bear this out.The USA has a serious problem with racism and police brutality towards the black population. It’s time to recognize that and to take steps to change the situation.
Someone in France just wrote to me complaining that Pakistan has just made it a crime to dishonor "Prophet" Muhammad and this person wanted me to sign some on-line petition against this Pakistani law. I refused. I answered that countries have the right to promulgate laws according to the local culture. I have no problem with Pakistani laws and if I ever visit that country, I certainly won’t carry a sign saying PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS A PEDOPHILE! in the streets of Islamabad.
That’s Pakistan. It’s just the way the country is run. If I travel there, I’ll respect the local laws and the local culture. Still, I may think their laws are full of it but I’m only a tourist and I’ll be gone in a few weeks.
Back in the USA: is there a serious race problem in your country? Yes, and it’s historically bad. Much worse than anywhere else. Is there a gun problem in the USA? Of course there is as no other Western nation needs “active shooter” drills for school children. Do some Americans go bankrupt because of medical bills? Yes, of course but that’s part of your charm. I would never sign a petition against any of these things because they are the choices Americans have made for their country.
So there’s no race baiting on my part. Racism exists in the USA; the problem is serious but it doesn’t affect me. Actually, I remember a time in Georgia when your country‘s racism benefited me...but that’s another story.
There are no current racist laws in the USA. If that’s what you and Stu got from my posts, you’re both lost in space.
Affirmative Action is law, and it’s racist. But it doesn’t fit your black victimhood racism, so let’s just ignore that law.So, the USA has no laws promoting racism anymore
And again, you’re ignoring the fact that there’s a huge problem with fatherless homes, especially among black families, which leads to more crime.but racism is still a serious problem for historical and cultural reasons. Witness the preponderance of incarcerated black Americans if you have any doubts.
The policy is racist. The definition of racist, is something discriminatory on the basis of race. That’s exactly what Affirmative Action does. It’s a policy that discriminates on the basis of race.Fliegender wrote:
"Affirmative action is racist" is a funny statement! My understanding is that it attempts to correct past wrongs.
I know you don’t care. Just like all race baiters, you take a fact, blacks disproportionately make up the US prison populations, and assume that’s because the system is racist. You haven’t even considered another reason.As for fatherless black children, I really don’t care.
There’s no race baiting coming from me because it’s totally foreign to my culture. I simply accept the cultural markers existing in different countries. I note them but I don’t try to change them. In my story with the Palestinian lady, that should have been clear. I didn’t try to tell her that Palestinian society was oppressive towards women, or that it promoted violence towards Jews. Had I told her that, she would have objected because in her mind everything is okay. Her husband beats her because that’s what husbands there do. And Jews have no business in Area A so if they mistakenly drive their car there, they are fair game. This is totally normal in her society. Can you take this insight and apply it to your own society?