Felgar wrote:Hmmm... So you believe that all men except 'sons of perdition' will go to Heaven? (i.e. That they will not be seperated from the glory of God through eternity). And you believe the 'sons of perdition' to be a very small minority of particularly bad people?
Tell me, do you believe that the Bible is the Word of God and in it there are no lies? Do you believe that in the Word of God there is only truth?
Well, thats a good question. I believe that all men will go to Heaven that that they will go to where they are most comfortable... (i.e. The truth is i do not think everyone would be comfortable living in the presence of God, Do you think that Osoma Binladen would feel comfortable in the presence of God? Didnt think so... so if he forsakes his sins he can go to a place where he is happy) And yes Sons of Perdition are a very small minority of people who deny the Holy Spirt.
I believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly... It has no lies... But this does not mean it has the all truth, many plain and precious things have been lost over years of translation and Apostasy.
The Great Apostasy
In general
2000 years ago a Man walked in this earth and organized a church and taught about love and the opportunity to go back to our home and live with our Father once again, and there is plenty evidence of His presence here in this Earth, but after His Death and Resurrection the organized church came under a severe attack external and internal.
Persecution as an external cause Judaism and paganism array against the Church many apostles died under this persecution.
Romans were in opposition to Christianity under Nero, under Domitian, under Trajan, under Marcus Aurelious, and the finally Apostles and Christians extintions by Diocletian, and the simplest truth, power, authority and the rock were The Church of jesus Christ was setled upon was taking from this earth (St Mattew16:17-18).
Later the church in an apostated state came under state protection by Constantine the Great, and it is here when the internal causes of Apostasy came into play returning to idolatry, departure from Christianity.
The corrupting of the simple principles of the gospel by the admixture of the so called philosophic systems of the times, judaistic perversions, admixtures\ of Gnosticism with Christianity new Platonic's doctrine of the logos, sibellianism, arianism the Nicean creed, burning of sacred books, the creed of athanasius, perverted view of life, disregard for truth, unauthorized additions to the ceremonies of the church and the introduction of vital changes in essential ordinances, formalism and supertision increase, adoration of images, changes in Baptismal ordinance, ministrations of the exorcist introduced, Imersion substituted by sprinkling, infant baptism introduced, changes in the sacrament of the Lords supper, fallacy of transubstantiation and adoration of the host, unauthorized changes in church organization and government, origin of synods or church organization, bishops of Rome claimed supremacy, title of Poped assumed, secular authority asserted by the pope, indulgences or pardons the infamous doctrine of supererogation, the traffic in indulgence, tetzel the papal agent, the sin of blasphemy, scripture reading forbiding to the people, Draper's arraigment of the papacy.
And then the revolts against of the church of Rome by John wickliffe in England, John Huss and Jerome of Prague, Martin Luther his revolt his excomunication, the protestans, Zwingle and calvin, the inquisition, separation or branches of the apostate church, fallacy of assuming human origen of divine authority etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.
Finally after 1720 years of universal apostasy, and the absolute need of a "Restoration of all things" The Father and the Son manifested themselves to man and the Holy Priesthood with all its powers and authority was again Restored with His church upon the ROCK (Revelation) once again, marking the inauguration of the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times which is the Last Dispensation and preparatory to receive Jesus Christ for second time, and been the Chieft Cornerstone of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints where brothers and sisters come and partake the joy of the fullness of the Gospel Restored.
