Evidence for God from Science

No, it was a guy who wasn't supposed to come back, he was given a name...hopefully I wasn't lied to and all, which would be odd, considering I'm somewhat reluctant to believe strange things.

You weren't lied to, Marty, you were told an actual event in the Bible. It was king Saul, and he went to a medium after banishing them from Israel and asked her to bring up Samuel. Sam then did appear, said he had been watching what was happening on earth, and rebuked Saul for going to a medium and disturbing him by bringing his spirit up. Again, I'll play the slacker. I've read it for myself, (and was quite shocked by it!) and so I know for myself that it's there.

To tell the truth, despite all my references, it's still a pain in the butt to look up things. I've thought I need a topical Bible or topical concordance or something, but I got Nave's on CD-ROM and it doesn't seem to help enough either!

Anyway, Tim, I've read all about Moses and Elijah being the two witnesses, which is what you referred to, but since I haven't done the research myself I've left it kind of open. I don't know enough for myself to say that they are the two, or that the two wouldn't be "normal" people instead of divine transplants or something. Got any verses?

bizzt wrote:there is no other Biblical References to John being Elijiah!

How many references do you need? Jesus said it, and that's enough for me!

bizzt wrote: God does not reincarnate Spirits! The Spirit was already Alive Maybe it would be worthwhile doing a Study on the Attributes of John and of Elijiah. On top of that John brought the Same Revolution shall we say that John Brought to the people of Israel! Repentance maybe that is what Jesus was talking about. I don't think it was Re-incarnation because that would mean John would have the same Soul, and Spirit but not the same Body.

I understand the whole "Elijah spirit" thing you hold to! I've already told you I get that concept! I'm just not convinced based on that idea. And I do believe that God can have spirits that've already existed deposited into babies. If that wasn't what happened to Jesus I'm in big trouble! I believe God could do that with Elijah's spirit if He wanted to.

It would make a lot more sense if John was not Elijah, but it still seems to me that the verses we've looked at say otherwise. Actually, I'd like to be shown conclusively that God's Words says he wasn't! Joy-Buzzer, are you up to this? Convince me!

bizzt wrote:when will you learn not to trust your own logic!

I logically couldn't trust that that would logically be a good thing to do, what with my poor logic! Stupid is hopelessly stuck in Stupidville because poor Stupid is too stupid to find it's way out! It'd take a miracle! Pray for me, will 'ya?

kateliz wrote:You weren't lied to, Marty, you were told an actual event in the Bible. It was king Saul, and he went to a medium after banishing them from Israel and asked her to bring up Samuel. Sam then did appear, said he had been watching what was happening on earth, and rebuked Saul for going to a medium and disturbing him by bringing his spirit up. Again, I'll play the slacker. I've read it for myself, (and was quite shocked by it!) and so I know for myself that it's there.

To tell the truth, despite all my references, it's still a pain in the butt to look up things. I've thought I need a topical Bible or topical concordance or something, but I got Nave's on CD-ROM and it doesn't seem to help enough either!

Anyway, Tim, I've read all about Moses and Elijah being the two witnesses, which is what you referred to, but since I haven't done the research myself I've left it kind of open. I don't know enough for myself to say that they are the two, or that the two wouldn't be "normal" people instead of divine transplants or something. Got any verses?

bizzt wrote:there is no other Biblical References to John being Elijiah!

How many references do you need? Jesus said it, and that's enough for me!

bizzt wrote: God does not reincarnate Spirits! The Spirit was already Alive Maybe it would be worthwhile doing a Study on the Attributes of John and of Elijiah. On top of that John brought the Same Revolution shall we say that John Brought to the people of Israel! Repentance maybe that is what Jesus was talking about. I don't think it was Re-incarnation because that would mean John would have the same Soul, and Spirit but not the same Body.

I understand the whole "Elijah spirit" thing you hold to! I've already told you I get that concept! I'm just not convinced based on that idea. And I do believe that God can have spirits that've already existed deposited into babies. If that wasn't what happened to Jesus I'm in big trouble! I believe God could do that with Elijah's spirit if He wanted to.

It would make a lot more sense if John was not Elijah, but it still seems to me that the verses we've looked at say otherwise. Actually, I'd like to be shown conclusively that God's Words says he wasn't! Joy-Buzzer, are you up to this? Convince me!

bizzt wrote:when will you learn not to trust your own logic!

I logically couldn't trust that that would logically be a good thing to do, what with my poor logic! Stupid is hopelessly stuck in Stupidville because poor Stupid is too stupid to find it's way out! It'd take a miracle! Pray for me, will 'ya?

Hey There... I don't think I can Convince you. But Above you noted that the Spirit is in rest as per Samuel. Remember that Re-incarnation activists use this particular item to say we ARE re-incarnated. If Jesus said Elias has already come and John said he is not Elias THEN does that mean it is a Contradiction?? It looks like John knows who he is! Below a Verse for you

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Is this Future Tense or Past Tense? Does it mean the time when Jesus was on the Earth?

Sorry I am asking questions but I just want to have a conversation about it and we can maybe learn together!!!

That's probably referring to the end times, and as Christ won't be born again, but will be coming as a conqueror this time, so it's possible that Elijah will just come down in spirit, not flesh.