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OK, mastermind

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:21 am
by Christian2
Show me one Scripture where Jesus said that we have to believe that He died for our sins in order to be saved.

OK bizzt

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:26 am
by Christian2
Like Mastermind said Jesus did not have to die. However If he did not die then our Sins would still have to be paid for by Death.
Do you not think that if we have faith in God and turn to Him in true repentance, and ask God for forgiveness of our sins, that in His love for us and His compassion and mercy, He would not forgive us?

Re: OK, mastermind

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:26 am
by bizzt
Christian2 wrote:Show me one Scripture where Jesus said that we have to believe that He died for our sins in order to be saved.
Hey Christian2

As promised

1Cr 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

bizzt

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:28 am
by Christian2
Hi bizzt,

Your Scripture doesn't work. This is what I asked for:

Show me one Scripture where Jesus said that we have to believe that He died for our sins in order to be saved.

Your Scripture was from Paul. Can you come up with one from Jesus?

Thanks.

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:33 am
by bizzt
Here are some more

Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.

Re: bizzt

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:33 am
by bizzt
Christian2 wrote:Hi bizzt,

Your Scripture doesn't work. This is what I asked for:

Show me one Scripture where Jesus said that we have to believe that He died for our sins in order to be saved.

Your Scripture was from Paul. Can you come up with one from Jesus?

Thanks.
Sorry... Isn't all scripture Authoritive??

bizzt

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 8:29 am
by Christian2
bizzt,

Once again the Scriptures you noted do not come directly from Jesus.
Sorry... Isn't all scripture Authoritive??
I do believe that all Scriptures are inspired, but I think that the Scriptures of the Apostles and followers of Jesus should lead back to the teachings of Jesus. If they don't, then whose "gospel" are we following?

However, I think I found one from Jesus that ties what Paul and John said back to Jesus:

Mark 10:45, For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.

But my question still hasn't been answered which was:

Show me one Scripture where Jesus said that we have to believe that He died for our sins in order to be saved.

Re: bizzt

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:53 am
by bizzt
Christian2 wrote:bizzt,

Once again the Scriptures you noted do not come directly from Jesus.
Sorry... Isn't all scripture Authoritive??
I do believe that all Scriptures are inspired, but I think that the Scriptures of the Apostles and followers of Jesus should lead back to the teachings of Jesus. If they don't, then whose "gospel" are we following?

However, I think I found one from Jesus that ties what Paul and John said back to Jesus:

Mark 10:45, For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.

But my question still hasn't been answered which was:

Show me one Scripture where Jesus said that we have to believe that He died for our sins in order to be saved.
I understand what you are looking for. I can't find it right now but If we cannot Trust the Apostles whom Wrote the Scriptures like Luke, Paul, Peter etc... then how can we trust if they wrote what Jesus SAID correctly?

I will continue searching for that Scripture you are looking for but the 4 Scriptures I gave should be Good enough Considering they are all INSPIRED BY JESUS/GOD himself.

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 12:24 pm
by AttentionKMartShoppers
The strangest things end up under science...

bizzt

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 12:56 pm
by Christian2
If we cannot Trust the Apostles whom Wrote the Scriptures like Luke, Paul, Peter etc... then how can we trust if they wrote what Jesus SAID correctly?
Point taken.