Evidence for God from Science

Contraception perverts God's intended function for sex. They allow people who shouldnt be having sex to engage in it much more easily. They are sinful and should be outlawed. They also aren't as reliable as the liberal media would have you believe. They are unnatural and Christians have no place in using them.

Here, here! Except I don't think I'd support outlawing them.

kateliz wrote:Here, here! Except I don't think I'd support outlawing them.

Why not? There was no need for them to be invented in the first place!

I think it a rather cold view of God that He only intended sex for procreation.

Kurieuo.

Kurieuo wrote:I think it a rather cold view of God that He only intended sex for procreation.

Kurieuo.

Not really...Why does it have to have more than one function? It's obvious what the intended purpose of sex is for. You can't agree that contraception is ok? It perverts the natural function of sex!

Kurieuo: Not "only" but "originally." That's the main goal. And it's not a cold view because you still have to deal with the fact that the couple is, if as God intended, married, and that it's intimate, and that it's, if as God intended, emotional. So, even if God's main purpose for sex was procreation, there's nothing cold about that view. He made it so that you still have to deal with those issues even if you just want to make a baby. And come on, there's nothing cold about the union of two people creating new life!

Xenon: We do not live in the millenial kingdom, and nor are we Israel in the Old Testament. All governments are consequently quite secular, despite our proposed "attempts" at it otherwise. To outlaw something that's so... I don't think I can articulate what I want to say. Maybe I'm too tired. I just don't think it's practical in secular governments. Too many would be oppossed for too many different reasons. Everyone, (to generalize,) would be in an uproar over it, and don't we all here support democracies? I'd like to live with a socialist government, but not while sinful humans would be running it. It may be an ideal, but it's just not practical for the world we live in.

Xenon, you are taking a cold view! It's a package that's sinful to break up. Procreation and enjoyable intimacy. You should not pick and choose because then you're playing God and tampering with the gift He gave.

kateliz wrote:Xenon, you are taking a cold view! It's a package that's sinful to break up. Procreation and enjoyable intimacy. You should not pick and choose because then you're playing God and tampering with the gift He gave.

You cant procreate if you are using contraceptives though. Contraceptives defeat the object of sex. They are stupid and are just 'sexual immorality aids'. God makes the rules not me.

Yes, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about you saying, "Why does it have to have more than one function? It's obvious what the intended purpose of sex is for." There's two functions, if not more. You should not cut out either procreation or enjoyable intimacy.

I agree with kateliz. Sex can serve to heighten love and intimacy between a couple, I dare say the closest thing possible to directly experiencing God's love. One just has to read (and understand) the writings in Song of Songs to see sexual intimacy is more than procreation (Song of Songs 2:3-7; Song of Songs 4:1-7; Song of Songs 5:10-16; Song of Songs 6:4-9; Song of Songs 7:7-10; Song of Songs 8:10).

For more, see The Biblical View of Sex.

Kurieuo.

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Dan wrote: Massive overpopulation, or more people to find saving grace in Jesus Christ?

Maybe both, but if overpopulation gets out of hand, humanity will not be able to survive. Maybe that'll be the point Jesus comes back. Who knows.

I disagree with that. I believe this World of ours can Handle alot more Vegetation for Humans to Survive. We can probably have More then 10 billion People in this world....

A thought to be entertained. However for myself I do not have problems with the Use of Contraceptions. All I know is if I trust in God and walk with him in the end it does not matter! I hate when Pastors Condemn their Followers for doing something like taking Contraceptives for Example. It is not completely Taught in the Bible one way or the Other but some have taken on a Stance much like those YEC's that if you do not believe a certain way you will go to Hell!



Anyways just my 2 cents

bizzt wrote: I disagree with that. I believe this World of ours can Handle alot more Vegetation for Humans to Survive. We can probably have More then 10 billion People in this world....

The problem isn't with a lack of resources to feed the world's population it's with the poor distribution of those resources.

A thought to be entertained. However for myself I do not have problems with the Use of Contraceptions. All I know is if I trust in God and walk with him in the end it does not matter!

A government that allows contraception actively promotes promiscuity, fornication, adulturey, homosexuality and even incest. Contraception is immoral and unnatural aswell as unnecesary.

I hate when Pastors Condemn their Followers for doing something like taking Contraceptives for Example. It is not completely Taught in the Bible one way or the Other but some have taken on a Stance much like those YEC's that if you do not believe a certain way you will go to Hell!



Anyways just my 2 cents

I'm YEC and I don't think like that. Please don't generalise. lol.

When talking about contraception you must be careful to decide what kind you are talking about. Some, condoms, prevent the sperm from fertilizing the egg. Others, some pills, allow the fertilization, but then have the hours old fetus aborted. If you believe life begins at conception, then some forms of contraception actually kill that new life. If you are considering some form of contraception, I would advise you look into how it actually works.

Ray

None of you appear to be considering that it may be God's will that contraception exists. It is predominantly used in the non christian population, perhaps it is part of a plan.

I'm not sure how to respond to that last comment, but I can't help but find it a bit elitist and assuming of God's desires of our world. If God wanted only Christians on Earth, then I don't think anyone could stop Him doing so. I also think that God loves all humanity—Christian and non-Christian alike—and that Earth serves as a place where humanity can choose God, and come to Him via Christ.

Kurieuo.