Evidence for God from Science

No one hates homosexuals.. Only the act.. It should also be noted that G-d commands that ALL refrain from sexual sin as commanded in the Torah. Whether it be fornication, adultery, incest, homosexuality, pornography and the likes. If you choose not to sin, then you won't engage in any of these practices. Sex is reserved for a man and woman in marriage.

In others words, to be safe, you should avoid ALL SEXUAL practices unless you want to be in a relationship. And I'm living proof that it can be accomplished.

I'd venture that some people do hate homosexuals, wbc is an extreme example but hate crimes against homosexuals are not unheard of.
You may be living proof that people are able to confine sexual activity to heterosexual relationships for portions of their lives but there are others who are living proof that homosexual relationships can be healthy happy places to be.

Hate crimes against Christians are not unheard of either, probably 100 times more common than "hate crimes" against gays. The reason you hear the media screaming about gay hate crimes is 1) they are not common 2) they have agenda's .

The media took no attention to the massive church burning in Norway, nor the torture and killing of priests in Norway. Nobody hears about that.

And do not take this the wrong way, I am completely against violence, and their actions are not justified, but perhaps you should read into some cases in which a gay was beaten. Many straight men find it very very offence to be hit on, touched, or talked to in a certain way, and in many of the cases the gay was hitting on the man. Many women have shot men in cases of sexual harassment, and again the left media takes no interest in those stories, only the stories that play to their agenda's are worth "reporting" and blowing way out of proportion. Sexual harassment can cause people to feel insecure, violated, hurt, and cause emotional pain.


And this "hate crime" business is a bunch of crap, if a black panther kills a white man because he is white it is not a crime, but vise versa it is. All acts of murder are hate crimes and singling out a certain group and making them "special" does not seem to play into the "gay rights" screams of equality. They have more rights than us in that respect.

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Proinsias wrote:I'd venture that some people do hate homosexuals, wbc is an extreme example but hate crimes against homosexuals are not unheard of.

Sure there are many people that hate homosexuals. And some of these can be Christian too. What I'm talking about here however is the attitude of Christ or the believers walk in Christ.

Proinsias wrote:You may be living proof that people are able to confine sexual activity to heterosexual relationships for portions of their lives but there are others who are living proof that homosexual relationships can be healthy happy places to be.

Sure, if they want to live in a sinful relationship, and are content with that, then that is their prerogative. Let G-d be the judge..

Gman wrote:
Sure, if they want to live in a sinful relationship, and are content with that, then that is their prerogative. Let G-d be the judge..

It does come across that by labeling certain relationships as sinful you're not quite content to leave the judging to G-d.

Proinsias wrote:

Gman wrote:
Sure, if they want to live in a sinful relationship, and are content with that, then that is their prerogative. Let G-d be the judge..

It does come across that by labeling certain relationships as sinful you're not quite content to leave the judging to G-d.

Yes Pro.. We know from scripture that homosexuality is sinful.. However, we also know that we should not condemn others to hell for it. G-d, in my belief, is the ultimate judge of that not us.. I would advocate however that is if you truly loved Him you would abstain from sin.

DannyM wrote:

Canuckster1127 wrote:No matter how hard you look in the NT you won't find anything or anyone that looks like a pastor in today's modern church. I do believe there is freedom so no, I don't think that it is "wrong" in the sense of sinful. I've personally though come to the conclusion that in the longrun it weakens the church by creating a professonal clergy and leaving the "laity" passive and uninvolved,

Hi Bart, I know you had a thread on this a couple of years ago, and as I recall you were on the button regarding institutionalised Christianity. Please could you in a sum define an organic church, not by what it isn’t, but by what it is, exactly.

Danny,

I apologize. Somehow I missed this.

Organic Church is something of a fad term now and it's used to describe all kinds of things. People use the term synononously with Home Church or Simple Church.

When I use the term, I use it as Frank Viola defines it. His definition is:

I’ve often said that an organic expression of the church is one in which the members are learning to live by Divine LIFE together. They are learning how to live by the indwelling Christ. And out of that living emerges a particular expression. That expression, because it’s derived from LIFE, is “organic.” When the church is living true to herself . . . as an organism . . . her expression is organic. The means and end is Jesus Christ. Christ is known deeply by a group of people who are discovering His infinite riches together and are making Him visible on the planet again.

Frank has a blog article (where I pulled this definition from. He writes at length there about what organic church is and isn't as he uses the term and as he connects it with T. Austin Sparks who is the one attributed with coining the term.

http://frankviola.org/2010/01/11/what-i ... r-clarity/

Hope this helps.

bart

Thanks Bart. I appreciate your reply, and I'll take a good look at the link. I like Frank.

Danny

I have a former student who has declared his homosexuality after he graduated. I still really like him and love him, but I cannot accept what he is doing. He is an awesome person and I still talk to him but I can't condone his actions or his acceptance of it.

Gman, I totally respect your opinion on the matter. As far as I'm concerned, I don't think anyone has any real business trying to dictate or regulate what one consenting adult does with another (as long is it's all legal). If you disagree with homosexuality, don't have sex with someone of your own gender. Why can't it be that simple? If you believe in a Christian God who hates gay people, be my guest, just let your God do that talking when you die and let everyone be themselves. If two gay men have sex, how does that hurt you? It really doesn't. So I just don't understand why so many Christians in this country are so damn militant about making it illegal, when their own religion says to let them be and let God be the judge later.

If you believe in a Christian God who hates gay people

God hates the sin not the sinner, big difference.

So I just don't understand why so many Christians in this country are so damn militant about making it illegal, when their own religion says to let them be and let God be the judge later.

Because the Bible says that we should stand up for what is right and moral in the same way we would speak out against abortion etc.......

Ivellious wrote:Gman, I totally respect your opinion on the matter. As far as I'm concerned, I don't think anyone has any real business trying to dictate or regulate what one consenting adult does with another (as long is it's all legal). If you disagree with homosexuality, don't have sex with someone of your own gender. Why can't it be that simple? If you believe in a Christian God who hates gay people, be my guest, just let your God do that talking when you die and let everyone be themselves. If two gay men have sex, how does that hurt you? It really doesn't. So I just don't understand why so many Christians in this country are so damn militant about making it illegal, when their own religion says to let them be and let God be the judge later.

Good points, but watch out about misinterpreting when you say that our if God hates gay people.

Bad wording there...though some people have told me that they believe God hates gay people (sadly), the more likely/common perspective would be God hating/looking down upon the act of homosexual sexual activity. Thanks for the clarification.

NP