Evidence for God from Science

B.W., your last long reply helped me understand a number of things paranormal/supernatural/demonic. Nobody in any church I've attended or been under the thumb of, has even come close to explaining what happens in the Unseen Realm. Probably from a combination of ignorance and fear from the pastors all the way up to seminaries and higher. But without the armor of knowledge and truth these "leaders" give these topics very wide berth. IMHO this self induced ignorance makes people more likely to be a victim, rather than encourage them to explore these dangerous areas.

JButler wrote:B.W., your last long reply helped me understand a number of things paranormal/supernatural/demonic. Nobody in any church I've attended or been under the thumb of, has even come close to explaining what happens in the Unseen Realm. Probably from a combination of ignorance and fear from the pastors all the way up to seminaries and higher. But without the armor of knowledge and truth these "leaders" give these topics very wide berth. IMHO this self induced ignorance makes people more likely to be a victim, rather than encourage them to explore these dangerous areas.

That is true...

I have heard it also taught that there is no need for spiritual warfare because we are all under grace because Jesus did all for us so the only think left to do is soak and shower in blessings of happiness and do anything you want - Jesus paid it all...

Meanwhile, families and individuals and whole communities get hit with dark happenings and cannot talk about it. Very sad...
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B.W. wrote:
I have heard it also taught that there is no need for spiritual warfare because we are all under grace because Jesus did all for us so the only think left to do is soak and shower in blessings of happiness and do anything you want - Jesus paid it all...

I think you need to get out of the Pentecostal churches you've been in, if that's what you're hearing. Pentecostal churches usually tend to go too far off the rails towards super-spiritual teachings, but maybe they're starting to over-correct, and go too far the other way.

Can you give an example of a teaching where someone says Christians can just do anything they want, without having a duty to show love to others?

RickD wrote:

B.W. wrote:
I have heard it also taught that there is no need for spiritual warfare because we are all under grace because Jesus did all for us so the only think left to do is soak and shower in blessings of happiness and do anything you want - Jesus paid it all...

I think you need to get out of the Pentecostal churches you've been in, if that's what you're hearing. Pentecostal churches usually tend to go too far off the rails towards super-spiritual teachings, but maybe they're starting to over-correct, and go too far the other way.

Can you give an example of a teaching where someone says Christians can just do anything they want, without having a duty to show love to others?

I go by invite to a wide array of churches Rick. Some of the Baptist ones are tired of not understanding the full implications that we are in a spiritual war with spiritual host that want to destroy us totally.

Yes, there are degrees of spiritual warfare being taught in many places and practiced and amen to that. What I find that a deep level needs to be addressed on the subject and I am thankful for the many churches opening up to this.

However, many in the Grace Point Network churches do teach that spiritual warfare is completely unnecessary due to God's grace so all they need to do is basically nothing. In a debate with Don Keathley on FB on this subject he refused to listen and his followers shut down all reasoning on this topic. Very sad when members of that group, after a time there, contact me about their issues with darkness because these are addressed there in that "sweep it under the grace rug" fashion.

Maybe you should travel to more variety churches yourself Rick and expand your horizons
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PS - try the Grace Point Churches ie the Hyper Grace ones, though not openly teaching you can anything you want, however, it is strongly implied.

Oh yes, there are churches that openly condone and support the lifestyles mentioned in Romans 1:18-32 some offer their services to legitimize these practices on the basis of love... so yes, there are plenty out there...

I guess different people have different ideas of what spiritual warfare is.

I remember when growing up, occasionally attending a word faith church my mom was involved in. Their idea of spiritual warfare was rebuking everything in Jesus' name. Literally everything that was wrong, was a spiritual issue. It really took out the aspect of an individual believer having responsibility for his actions. Blame it all on satan. Being poor and having no money wasn't a result of people making horrible decisions with money, it was satan's oppression that was causing it. Just rebuke satan, and claim whatever you want in Jesus' name.

Thank you for your response Brian. I really apprecite it. It's very insightful. I should avoid returning to the ship. But at the same time it feels like I'm giving up something that brings me joy for fear. I do not have plans to go back. But if I do, perhaps I could bring a Bible with me and demand "it" leave in the name of Jesus Christ? Maybe not.

Right now I'm in Las Vegas. I spent the night near Mandaly Bay, running from machine gun fire amidst a psychologically panicked stampede, and hiding in the housekeeping room. It was terrifying. Very disheartening to see how some people act in this kind of situation.

God saved me tonight. I don't know why. Why does God keep giving me so many chances in life? Why is he so good to me. I don't deserve it. I have been sinning lately. I fear the parable of the talents. I honestly don't know what I'm "supposed to do" down here. Or what "contributions" I could make on this planet. I feel like I am wasting my life.

I read the bible, prayed to God, and gave my heart to Jesus Christ wilst hiding in the housekeeping room with false twitter rumors of "multiple shooters" in all the hotels. The police refused to come up and escort all the people who were hiding citing "prodecure".

I'm a pretty gritty. But I felt vunerable. Weak. Victimized. Waiting to be killed in a dark closet cowaring in silence. I hated every minute of this feeling. I am very upset I did not have a CC concealed permit/gun.


I hope this evil, sick, psychopathic bastard is in a cube, burning in hell!

RickD wrote:I guess different people have different ideas of what spiritual warfare is.

I remember when growing up, occasionally attending a word faith church my mom was involved in. Their idea of spiritual warfare was rebuking everything in Jesus' name. Literally everything that was wrong, was a spiritual issue. It really took out the aspect of an individual believer having responsibility for his actions. Blame it all on satan. Being poor and having no money wasn't a result of people making horrible decisions with money, it was satan's oppression that was causing it. Just rebuke satan, and claim whatever you want in Jesus' name.

If we really have understood spiritual warfare, then folks would have realized that the spiritual host mentioned in Eph 6:12 would do anything to discredit such warfare. and have people bring it to shame. I have seen what you mentioned happen as well but do not toss out the baby with the bath water.

Jude 1:9 mentions that rebuking the Head huncho Satan can only be done by Jesus. Why? Job 41:8,9,34 NKJV tell us why - lay your own hand on Leviathan you'll be in a battle you will regret and will never do it again.

We do have authority over his underlings but the head fallen one - no - that is reserved for Jesus to deal with. So yes, bad teachings came and brought disrepute to the subject of Spiritual warfare so no one practices it much anymore and folks mock it.

However, sometimes spiritual warfare manifest and goes hot in our physical reality. Las Vegas shooting is an example of evil manifesting itself and letting its intent be known - kill, rob, destroy.

Another involves Nude Sculpture Four Stories Tall Planned for National Mall. The on the surface rationale for this seems benign and stupid but considering this came from the Burning Man Occult festival and was used in occultic ceremonies there, it is not benign as the justifications for it suggest.

Where there is open, accepted occultic activity you will see things like masses of annoying flying insects, stink bugs (like happened at Burning Man 2017 this year see and read in this article.

Then this as well too Swarm Of Bugs Create Buzz In Philadelphia recently happened not only in Philly but also Detroit and NJ - New England states. Just google search google Detroit Bugs 2017 and see what I mean.

In Detroit You have the largest Satanist chapter in the USA located there. How is Detroit doing now - how is Flint? Is the city of Detroit falling apart?

In Philly area there has been large influx of the occult and its practices such as ritualistic animal killings reported over the years and not normal influx of flying ants... swarms... annoying people.

You have News people and politicians openly confessing to practicing the occult...too...

So, Why do I bring this up?

Spiritual warfare often manifest in our realm when we see things associated with an unusual (not normal) influx of bugs in certain areas. Satan is called who - Lord of the flies (or can be translated as the swarms). Next, you have a direct attack on the Christian church and its weakening so it can be destroyed.

You will also see a rise in violence, suicide, mayhem, social disorder, hate, strife, division, evil mass murdering that is ramping up toward a crescendo and no longer confined to isolated incidences. There will be natural disasters etc as well too on a scale unknown before happening. You will see evil being called good and good is called evil and when evil reveals itself as murderous it seeks to blame good people for it happening.

Are these things happening in the USA and world wide: Yes... is there a decrease in the influence of the Christianity on society and culture - yes.

Christianity is part of God's way to restrain evil. When the church loses its saltiness and dims its lights - the occult rises to fill the gap promising unrestrained freedom to what causes harm to body and soul as the greatest rights and good to be had and to destroy Christianity. In the process of destroying Christianity - it will destroy those who practice the occult and entire nations.

So yes, spiritual warfare is real, it indeed can manifest into the physical world which we live and when it does it is time for christian prayer - intercessors - to do battle as Eph 6:12 suggest against the controlling powers behind these manifestations.

So I ask you all to avoid the chide remarks here and simply look at what is going on around the world and ask yourself is evil, vice, suicides, mass murderings, hate, violence, divisions 'are' these on the increase or not?

Is the modern Church world now weak and in hiding?

Did you not know that before Hurricane Harvey that the Center for Southern Poverty and Law tried to set forth a legal precedent to build future case law off of to label Christian groups as Hate Groups which would morph further? It was thankfully stopped.

We are in a spiritual war and the devils behind this war don't want you to see it or stop their agenda.
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RickD wrote:I guess different people have different ideas of what spiritual warfare is.

I remember when growing up, occasionally attending a word faith church my mom was involved in. Their idea of spiritual warfare was rebuking everything in Jesus' name. Literally everything that was wrong, was a spiritual issue. It really took out the aspect of an individual believer having responsibility for his actions. Blame it all on satan. Being poor and having no money wasn't a result of people making horrible decisions with money, it was satan's oppression that was causing it. Just rebuke satan, and claim whatever you want in Jesus' name.

I agree with you about taking personal responsibility for our decisions but I also believe as spiritual beings there is always something spiritual at play as well.

Was it CS Lewis who said we can make two mistakes... Either believe Satan is not powerful at all or that he has all power. I see it like that. You can see it as just bad choices or all satan's doing. I think the truth lies somewhere inbetween

In Hells Dominion you stated hearing something from a demonic being yelling at a cubes inhabitant, something about "a fresh quota" for hell, as a reason God sends people to hell. You also described Demonic beings attacking people; using them in some kind of "battle" against God.

Did you ever get the sense these demons believe if enough souls are sent to hell, to the point where the vast majority of all the souls which have existed, are in hell, that God will be forced to annihilate all that ever was from existence?

As an extreme example, let's say the universe ends tomorrow. 90% of souls are in hell. 10% are in heaven. God is infinite and perfect in mercy and righteousness, God would not allow eternal suffering for so many to continue, for the sake of 10%. Would he?

Is this what the enemy is betting on? Is my speculation in any way accurate?

Blessed wrote:In Hells Dominion you stated hearing something from a demonic being yelling at a cubes inhabitant, something about "a fresh quota" for hell, as a reason God sends people to hell. You also described Demonic beings attacking people; using them in some kind of "battle" against God.

Did you ever get the sense these demons believe if enough souls are sent to hell, to the point where the vast majority of all the souls which have existed, are in hell, that God will be forced to annihilate all that ever was from existence?

As an extreme example, let's say the universe ends tomorrow. 90% of souls are in hell. 10% are in heaven. God is infinite and perfect in mercy and righteousness, God would not allow eternal suffering for so many to continue, for the sake of 10%. Would he?

Is this what the enemy is betting on? Is my speculation in any way accurate?

Actually people send themselves to hell. God obliges as Roman 1:24-28 mentions by the phrase - He gives them over to a debased mind. God cannot help but know who will reject him completely but he still offers salvation even knowing they will reject it in this mortal life. The keep storing up wrath until the day of judgment.

Giving one over to a debased mind is a principle of God's wrath. That is a sign of his wrath beginning. Some will repent and return to him after they sicken of sin, while others will reject completely with a hate for God beyond what we can conceive. Israel in the wilderness was give quail to eat until the got sick. During the kings of Israel the country was given over to false gods until God's wrath and judgment fell upon them. This is a pattern well established in the bible.

Hope this makes sense to you as how people send themselves there which brings up your next point.

Demonic beings attacking people; using them in some kind of "battle" against God.

Yes, that is it. They capture people to their will - kill, rob, destroy as a way to go after God to disprove to God himself that God cannot live up to his true nature and character traits, thus causing God to deny himself. They will fail of course. But they continue to persist until the get a large quota in there in order to go after God knowing that he knows all things even all full number who will be there. Sort of a way to mock him, like its his fault.

You see, God is Just, he gives free will or as called free moral agency to those he assigned with high reasoning intelligence. What would God be afraid of in giving this free will - nothing. If he denies it, then he would be denying his own just character and nature. In giving it, well, the sin is the creature own doings, not God. God's wrath builds letting them have more than enough rope to hang themselves as the old cowboy proverb says so. In essence, beings send themselves to hell and God does this in a such a thorough manner that he appears slow in acting against it. His ways are way beyond what we can perceive while he moves things toward justly removing all rebellion, sin, for good.

AS for the idea of a percent who makes it who will not you mentioned, I suggest you take a look at that comment and notice how it makes God look unjust and then ask yourself if you are not innocently falling into a trap to make God himself look bad. Please consider this and know I am not trying to be harsh but speak truth in love...

There will be more people in heaven than you or I really think. God is not unjust to inflict wrath giving people what they want in order to wake them up. He assigned the church a task. So if hell fills up, who is really at fault?
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Back to subject of spiritual warfare Rick brought out please check out these 10 minute clips and check out the facts...

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B. W. wrote: AS for the idea of a percent who makes it who will not you mentioned, I suggest you take a look at that comment and notice how it makes God look unjust and then ask yourself if you are not innocently falling into a trap to make God himself look bad. Please consider this and know I am not trying to be harsh but speak truth in love...

There will be more people in heaven than you or I really think. God is not unjust to inflict wrath giving people what they want in order to wake them up. He assigned the church a task. So if hell fills up, who is really at fault?
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I'm sorry. I did not intentionally mean to do this. I see what you're saying ....

I'm just trying to brain storm what the "end game" or "mission accomplished" objective is for these demons. It's none of my business but cannot help but be curious. They have a direct influence on earth (i.e. Poles) They want to pull as many souls into hell as possible. For some mystery reason i cannot understand.

In Genesis God destroyed the world because it became majority evil. God also destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because it became majority evil. God has the ability to delete or destroy hell, the devil, all demons and hells inhabitants. Are these demons trying to use Gods goodness "against him" to the point the vast majority of souls are in hell so God presses the delete, or "reset" button?

If God did this, only God would remain and everything, all souls, the universe , heaven, all dimensions, everything would cease to exist correct ?

Sorry if I'm philosophizing too much here. Just have too many questions.

Also there is something else that's been on my mind about your book.

The demon called the cubes inhabitants "guests". Webster's Dictionary 1828 http://webstersdictionary1828.com defines guest as:

GUEST, noun gest. [Latin visito; Eng. visit.]

1. A stranger; one who comes from a distance, and takes lodgings at a place, either for a night or for a longer time.

2. A visitor; a stranger or friend, entertained in the house or at the table of another, whether by invitation or otherwise.

"Guest" would seem to imply a limited punishment. Is it possible hells punishment is finite?

Are the people in hell cubes "guests" as the demon said or does their recompense increase to the point they burn in hell forever. Or are they just in the cubes forever?

Also the demon said something about reaping what they sow, is their some kind of "force" or law" preventing the demons from punishing a cubes inhabitant worse than they want to... based on Reaping only what you sow?

Hi Blessed, I believe the cubes are slowly moved into more "torturous" territory as time goes on... and the end game of hell is the lake of fire, where all its inhabitants are burned forever in a similar state of distress.

God knows the beginning from the end. If God was going to just press a "Reset" button, he would have never sent his son to be tortured and killed for us. We have a relatively easy escape from Hell because of God's love for us, where as the demons have no hope.

The reason the demons want Hell filled is to spite God, but I can't imagine they can possibly think they can overthrow God.