Evidence for God from Science

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:45 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:05 pm

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:28 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:27 am Ken,
You are being intellectually lazy.
There is no evidence that leads us to believe that material things are unchangeable, unmovable and eternal and there is abundant evidence AND facts that tell us otherwise.

There is no evidence that leads us to believe that the spiritual world even exists; let alone is unchangeable, unmovable, and eternal.

Here, FIFY:

There is no evidence that leads us ME to believe that the spiritual world even exists; let alone is unchangeable, unmovable, and eternal.

If you choose to ignore the evidence, that's your prerogative. But please don't include the rest of "us" in your spiritual blindness.

When Paul said "us" I assumed he meant mankind rather than the people who visit this forum

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:53 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:45 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:05 pm

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:28 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:27 am Ken,
You are being intellectually lazy.
There is no evidence that leads us to believe that material things are unchangeable, unmovable and eternal and there is abundant evidence AND facts that tell us otherwise.

There is no evidence that leads us to believe that the spiritual world even exists; let alone is unchangeable, unmovable, and eternal.

Here, FIFY:

There is no evidence that leads us ME to believe that the spiritual world even exists; let alone is unchangeable, unmovable, and eternal.

If you choose to ignore the evidence, that's your prerogative. But please don't include the rest of "us" in your spiritual blindness.

When Paul said "us" I assumed he meant mankind rather than the people who visit this forum

And if he did, so what? Your statement certainly doesn't apply to all mankind.

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:05 pm This is what happens when a person chooses to live out there life as an atheist without any evidence they are correct.Kenny here just goes on his personal opinion and because he accepted atheism without any evidence it is correct

Philip wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:16 pm I never did see Ken respond to why he has zero interest in the research about near death experiences???

Kenny wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:50 am

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:05 pm This is what happens when a person chooses to live out there life as an atheist without any evidence they are correct.Kenny here just goes on his personal opinion and because he accepted atheism without any evidence it is correct

Nearly every time you post it becomes more and more obvious you have no idea what it means to be atheist. And as many times as I have told you, yet you keep coming up with "zingers" like this; it's obvious you have no interest in learning.

Kenny wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:50 am

abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:05 pm This is what happens when a person chooses to live out there life as an atheist without any evidence they are correct.Kenny here just goes on his personal opinion and because he accepted atheism without any evidence it is correct

Nearly every time you post it becomes more and more obvious you have no idea what it means to be atheist. And as many times as I have told you, yet you keep coming up with "zingers" like this; it's obvious you have no interest in learning.

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:36 am Actually,

ACB makes a really good point.

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:36 amThere is absolutely no evidence that God doesn't exist.

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:36 amAnd for a materialist, isn't scientific evidence all that you choose to accept?

Kenny wrote:
The idea that atheists believe God does not exist is a flawed concept...

atheism doesn't only apply to Christianity, it applies to all religions;

Because what many theists call God do exist, an atheist isn't going to deny it's existence simply because someone chooses to call it God, that's why it is more accurate to say an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in any God, rather than claim he says it doesn't exist.

Kenny wrote:
The idea that atheists believe God does not exist is a flawed concept...

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:25 amI agree. Atheism is a flawed concept.

atheism doesn't only apply to Christianity, it applies to all religions;

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:25 amTheism is the belief in a transcendent, creator God, who sustains His creation.

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:25 amAnd atheism is the belief that, God as a transcendent, creator and sustainer doesn't exist.

Because what many theists call God do exist, an atheist isn't going to deny it's existence simply because someone chooses to call it God, that's why it is more accurate to say an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in any God, rather than claim he says it doesn't exist.

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:25 amNo Kenny. You don't even know what Theism is.
Do you realize how stupid you sound when your entire atheistic worldview is based on a false definition of Theism?

Kenny wrote:
No. As you can see from the below definition, atheist is just the rejection of God belief. That’s it!

kenny wrote:
Because what many theists call God do exist, an atheist isn't going to deny it's existence simply because someone chooses to call it God, that's why it is more accurate to say an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in any God, rather than claim he says it doesn't exist.

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:05 am

Kenny wrote:
No. As you can see from the below definition, atheist is just the rejection of God belief. That’s it!

Yes Kenny. Atheism is a rejection of the belief in God.

If I reject a belief in someone or something, that means I don't believe it exists. In other words, someone who rejects a belief in God, believes that God doesn't exist.

The same as rejecting a belief in anything else.
I reject a belief in unicorns. I believe that unicorns do not exist.

I reject a belief in a flat earth. I believe a flat earth doesn't exist.

I reject panspermia. I do not believe that aliens brought life to earth.

kenny wrote:
Because what many theists call God do exist, an atheist isn't going to deny it's existence simply because someone chooses to call it God, that's why it is more accurate to say an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in any God, rather than claim he says it doesn't exist.

Read the part of your quote that I underlined.

You said "an atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in any God, rather than claim he says it doesn't exist."

Kenny, you realize that the definition of "believe in" in the context we are using, means "have faith in the truth or existence of."

So, when you say that an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any God, you are saying that an atheist doesn't believe any God exists.



And when someone says that he doesn't believe any God exists, that's the same as saying that he believes God doesn't exist.

"I don't believe unicorns exist." Is the same as saying, "I believe unicorns don't exist."

To regard as true or real

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:33 am Kenny,

You are the most obtuse person I have ever known.

From your own example of the definition of "believe in", the #1 definition is:

To regard as true or real

And guess what the definition of "real" is?

It means, "actually existing".

You're arguing semantics, to claim that atheism isn't a belief.

And to everyone reading, you're failing miserably.

Kenny wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:04 am

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:33 am Kenny,

You are the most obtuse person I have ever known.

From your own example of the definition of "believe in", the #1 definition is:

To regard as true or real

And guess what the definition of "real" is?

It means, "actually existing".

You're arguing semantics, to claim that atheism isn't a belief.

And to everyone reading, you're failing miserably.

Insults aside, there is a big difference between true OR real vs true AND real.

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:14 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:04 am

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:33 am Kenny,

You are the most obtuse person I have ever known.

From your own example of the definition of "believe in", the #1 definition is:

To regard as true or real

And guess what the definition of "real" is?

It means, "actually existing".

You're arguing semantics, to claim that atheism isn't a belief.

And to everyone reading, you're failing miserably.

Insults aside, there is a big difference between true OR real vs true AND real.

Keep telling yourself that, Kenny.

Kenny wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:35 am

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:14 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:04 am

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:33 am Kenny,

You are the most obtuse person I have ever known.

From your own example of the definition of "believe in", the #1 definition is:

To regard as true or real

And guess what the definition of "real" is?

It means, "actually existing".

You're arguing semantics, to claim that atheism isn't a belief.

And to everyone reading, you're failing miserably.

Insults aside, there is a big difference between true OR real vs true AND real.

Keep telling yourself that, Kenny.

Do you agree or do I need to explain the difference to you?