Ken: Are you speculating intelligence, and purpose was involved, because intelligence and purpose was the end result?
Of course! And because we have absolutely no evidence of intelligent, complex things and designs creating themselves, or suddenly appearing, within an intelligent cause and designer. It's common sense! But it's only challenged by those who are determined to believe the impossible, irrational is possible.
Ken: Couldn't non purpose and non intelligence be responsible for the existence of something else non purposeful and non intelligent, than that something else evolves into something intelligent and purposeful?
In the first place, before the Big Bang, NOTHING physically existed, not even matter, before anything could have begun to evolve - so that's your first massive problem. Does the non-material have the ability to create itself, much less physical things of astounding designs? Blind things don't PLAN! They don't recognize advantages of synergies, can't design, think, organize, etc. Ken, do you not realize you are asserting that these things CAN plan, organize, gain intelligence and then use it, etc? That's illogical. Unobserved anywhere. Unscientific. Etc. Let's not forget that the first moments of the universe, per the many scientific studies and tests that show what HAD to have occurred at the moment of the Big Bang, the things that instantly developed didn't have some vast amount of time to evolve, as sophisticated things of immense complexity IMMEDIATELY developed, in mere moments, and on an unfathomably vast scale.
Philip wrote: Ever see stupendous, massive complexity produced without some intelligence
Ken: Like a volcano, or a coral reef?
Ken, the processes behind those things are VERY complex and also entirely dependent upon what came into existence in the universe's first, astonishing moments! You shouldn't cherrypick existing things without acknowledging that, as it refutes your contention.
Philip: Non-intelligent causes cannot produce such things.
Ken: Again; a different issue
Ken, you believe in unobserved, unproven things, which are illogical per our massive experiences and observations, and you believe blind, random things could possibly produce massive complexity and insanely narrow parameters of necessary previsions. You have a lot of faith in magic, in Pop Metaphysics! The universe provides massive evidences of intelligence and observable processes as to how all things must work (at least the frameworks and dependabilities) - and yet you believe non-intelligent, blind things can produce them? That non-physical things can produce physical ones. Just WOW! I'm in awe of the faith you have!