Evidence for God from Science

RickD wrote:

Audie wrote:

Jac3510 wrote: jpbg believes you gotta get cleaned up to take a bath, to say nothing of just believing Jesus is a liar.

"Whoever believes in Me has everlasting life."
"Na-uh, Jesus. You are wrong. You also gotta stop sinning!"
"Oh, thanks for the correction. Sorry, y'all. I made a mistake."

May it is just me being snotty, but I cannot help but notice that our hardcore fundamentalists generally display very poor English skills. ( you noticed it too, hence your "gotta")

"May it is"? Grammar Nazi has an eye on you.

crochet1949 wrote:

Audie wrote:

Jac3510 wrote: jpbg believes you gotta get cleaned up to take a bath, to say nothing of just believing Jesus is a liar.

"Whoever believes in Me has everlasting life."
"Na-uh, Jesus. You are wrong. You also gotta stop sinning!"
"Oh, thanks for the correction. Sorry, y'all. I made a mistake."

May it is just me being snotty, but I cannot help but notice that our hardcore fundamentalists generally display very poor English skills. ( you noticed it too, hence your "gotta")

Yes, you Are being snotty -- now how about This

Audie admits to being snotty --
Audie is an atheist
Atheists are snotty
But - we Know that not All atheists are snotty -- just one now and then.

Regardless, it is a fact (easily researched) that evangelicals, witnesses,
and other groups that fall under the umbrella of "fundamentalist" do on the average have a lower educational achievement than "orthodox" Christians.

And using the word 'gotta' represents very poor English skills ?! Oh, my goodness.

You missed the point. jac was responding to someone whose English is if no exactly execrable,is notably poor. He seemed to be responding in kind, though hat may not be why he used the word.

(to all the English as first language people -- we Can't use the word 'gotta' any more. It's displaying our Very poor English skills)

melanie wrote:I think the question of whether it's possible for me the answer is a definite yes!
Is it probable is another matter. Especially in today's environment of so called 'healers'
It's really an emotional topic. I think there are few of us that haven't prayed with upmost faith and hope to have the outcome not be what we wanted.
That in no way discredits the possibility but when you couple that with the ridiculousness of 'faith healings' in the setting it so often occurs, as I have witnessed within some churches sceptism and even cynism is warranted.
I think Rick was really spot on when he mentioned that in an instance where someone is healed, by what measure does that cross over from God doing the miraculous to a specific person or persons atrritubiting that to their own 'gift' of healing.
In the absence of a 'gifted' person truly laying their hands on our most sick, disabled and dying in a way that quantifiably cures and heals in a manner that equates to having the 'gift of healing', not in an instance but undeniably so.
God wills as He pleases, so this brings up the important notion that in every case there just won't be a 'Lazarus' healing. I totally get that.
But if anyone is going to label themselves as having the gift of healing then the assertion has to rest on the ability to display that gift. If it's a one off or ambiguous then the healing could be indirectly performed by any said person rather than by the miraculous work of God alone.
To claim a gift then you produce the outpouring.
Not because a group of cynics want proof but by the very nature of the claim there would have to be results. Not all the time of course but if we refer to scripture then those that claimed gifts of the Spirit did so not by proclaiming it but performing it.
To bring honour and Glory unto God.
I don't doubt for a second that God is at the forefront of many miracles around the world in any given moment or situation.
What I doubt is people individually claiming to have the gift of healing.
Are there instances where people have prayed on behalf of others and had the most miraculous outcomes? Without a doubt.
But there is a definitive difference.
To claim something as huge as being gifted with healing is really the big Kahuna of spiritual gifts. To cure someone is truly as miraculous as it gets because you have been anointed with the workings of God through your hands.
In that instance you would take that gift and spread it as far and wide as possible. Not for self benefit but to the Glory of God.
It's not a matter of if you've got it flaunt it but rather if you've been blessed so tremendously then spread that Glory where it's needed.

My sceptism arises because I have heard many claim the 'gift' but not outpour it.
That is counter intuitive to the purpose of such a gift.
If I was so blessed I would take it to masses.
Not for personal gain but to proclaim His Glory as far and wide as I could reach.
Not as token of my greatness but Gods.
Death and suffering is a human condition, escaping either is prolonging the inevitable. A miracle of escaping death at one point in time extends it to another time. My point being that the true miracle isn't escaping illness or death but rather the Goodness, compassion and Glory of God.
To be blessed with the gift of healing is for the purpose of exclaiming the brilliance of God to the world.
It's not something you make a truck load of cash off doing 'revivals' to packed out arenas or that you post on YouTube.
You would be healing
sometimes nothing more than a cold and other times the deaf, and blind and dying.

Audie wrote:

crochet1949 wrote:

Audie wrote:

Jac3510 wrote: jpbg believes you gotta get cleaned up to take a bath, to say nothing of just believing Jesus is a liar.

"Whoever believes in Me has everlasting life."
"Na-uh, Jesus. You are wrong. You also gotta stop sinning!"
"Oh, thanks for the correction. Sorry, y'all. I made a mistake."

May it is just me being snotty, but I cannot help but notice that our hardcore fundamentalists generally display very poor English skills. ( you noticed it too, hence your "gotta")

Yes, you Are being snotty -- now how about This

Audie admits to being snotty --
Audie is an atheist
Atheists are snotty
But - we Know that not All atheists are snotty -- just one now and then.

Regardless, it is a fact (easily researched) that evangelicals, witnesses,
and other groups that fall under the umbrella of "fundamentalist" do on the average have a lower educational achievement than "orthodox" Christians.

And using the word 'gotta' represents very poor English skills ?! Oh, my goodness.

You missed the point. jac was responding to someone whose English is if no exactly execrable,is notably poor. He seemed to be responding in kind, though hat may not be why he used the word.

(to all the English as first language people -- we Can't use the word 'gotta' any more. It's displaying our Very poor English skills)

Not at all. (Though you'd think people could use their own language correctly)

It is fun to play around with language, but it is good to know what is correct, do you not think so?

We've a few "fundies" here who, true to the stereotype, cannot write a correct sentence to save their lives.

It tends to undermine their credibility when they claim inerrant readin' of
scripture, or to know more than any scientist on earth.

crochet1949 wrote:

Audie wrote:

crochet1949 wrote:

Audie wrote:

Jac3510 wrote: jpbg believes you gotta get cleaned up to take a bath, to say nothing of just believing Jesus is a liar.

"Whoever believes in Me has everlasting life."
"Na-uh, Jesus. You are wrong. You also gotta stop sinning!"
"Oh, thanks for the correction. Sorry, y'all. I made a mistake."

May it is just me being snotty, but I cannot help but notice that our hardcore fundamentalists generally display very poor English skills. ( you noticed it too, hence your "gotta")

Yes, you Are being snotty -- now how about This

Audie admits to being snotty --
Audie is an atheist
Atheists are snotty
But - we Know that not All atheists are snotty -- just one now and then.

Regardless, it is a fact (easily researched) that evangelicals, witnesses,
and other groups that fall under the umbrella of "fundamentalist" do on the average have a lower educational achievement than "orthodox" Christians.

And using the word 'gotta' represents very poor English skills ?! Oh, my goodness.

You missed the point. jac was responding to someone whose English is if no exactly execrable,is notably poor. He seemed to be responding in kind, though hat may not be why he used the word.

(to all the English as first language people -- we Can't use the word 'gotta' any more. It's displaying our Very poor English skills)

Not at all. (Though you'd think people could use their own language correctly)

It is fun to play around with language, but it is good to know what is correct, do you not think so?

We've a few "fundies" here who, true to the stereotype, cannot write a correct sentence to save their lives.

It tends to undermine their credibility when they claim inerrant readin' of
scripture, or to know more than any scientist on earth.

I'm not missing Any point. I know who Jac was responding to. And, yes, using correct English Is important.
And, IF I'm not mistaken -- I've been second-handedly referred to as a 'fundie' -- so Please -- let's stop the mud-slinging. Which is what you enjoy doing. I do Not have a problem writing a correct sentence.

Jac3510 wrote:

jpbg wrote:
In my religion we believe that after you get saved then you can be filled with the holly Ghost. we believe they are two different events.