Kurieuo wrote:VicToR wrote:I dont know if anyone has pointed this out..
Exodus 20:9
Six days you shall labour and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God.
11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and earth, but he rested on the seventh day.
I'm confused about the theory of creation taking thousands or even millions of years..
For example, Leviticus 25 talks of the Sabbath in years: "
Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you enter the land I am going to give you, the land itself must observe a sabbath to the LORD. For six years sow your fields, and for six years prune your vineyards and gather their crops. But in the seventh year the land is to have a sabbath of rest, a sabbath to the LORD." The Sabbath comes from the creation, yet does this mean the days of creation took years? No. It is just a pattern being followed.
Now to throw a spanner in the works for YECs, Scripture supports God's seventh day as continuing to this very day. So if God's sabbath day was not the same length as Israel's sabbath day, then there is no reason why God's six days of creation should be the same length as Israel's six days of work.
Nowhere does Scripture say the seventh day has ended, yet for all other days in God's creation a definite end is given.
Futher to this, in Psalms 95:7-11 we read a message from God to Israel:
Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did at Meribah, as you did that day at Massah in the desert, where your fathers tested and tried me, though they had seen what I did.
For forty years I was angry with that generation; I said, "They are a people whose hearts go astray, and they have not known my ways."
So I declared on oath in my anger, "They shall never enter my rest."
Question: How was it possible for Israel to enter God's rest if it had ended?
And even further we have Hebrews 4:1-11. Here are some relevant verses (4:1,3-6,9-11):
1 Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.
3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";
5 and again in this passage, "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST."
6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,
9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
11 Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
Several notes of significance. In verse 1, we see talk of entering God's rest. In verses 3 and 4, God's rest is associated to the same one at the end of God's creation. In verse 6, it is then pointed out that some remain to enter that rest. This means God's seventh day of rest has lasted at least 6000+ years! And if this is true, then YECs appear to be focusing too much on one passage (i.e., Exodus 20:8-12) while neglecting other passages in Scripture.
Kurieuo
Hebrew 4:1-11 is great passages that clearly shows that God has His own interpretation of "day" than Irasel's "day". The context is self-explanatory and difficult to refute.
While biblical passages should be consistent in meaning, Hebrew 4:1-11 should coincide with Genesis 1 7-day creations. Flicking through the Genesis 1:1-31 and Genesis 2:1-3, I think that, considering the verses: "God said.." and "God called..", the word "day" is the meaning as reserved for God to interpret, not the calendar that we now a day live by. In 2 Peter 3:8, the bible passage does say: God looks at a day like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day. In other words, in God's eyes, the creations went in 7 days; in human eyes, it has lasted for, say, millions or billions of years. It is not impossible an interpretation.
Putting aside the complicated scholarly exegetical technicality, with common sense, why isn't it more than usual God was just exclaiming about His creation with a sigh? in His eyes it is likened to d only one day, 24-hour interval? Colloquially, we conversate now and then certain "experience is a nightmare" to me !! in fact, often we do not mean "a nightmare" inferring that experience happening just one over-night time. That experience may span some period of time longer than a day. But we may exclaim: it was so dreadful like a nightmare!! I find no reason why God won't exclaim the same way.
It occurs to me, as causally sharing with you all here, that Hebrew 4:1-11 suggests that God's timeframe is entirely different with human beings' timeframe. Interestingly, these 2 timeflame intersect with some point, sharing an overlapping area that we are struggling; if we repent and follow Jesus's Way, we are put right with God and back to the Resting day - the seventh day (this is God's day, not human being's calendar's); on the other hands, if we are disobedient, we would be lost from the "Resting day" and fallen to hell. There are two aspects inferent herewith:
(1) God's creation days were actually finished. God
rested on the 7th day. This verse is expressed in term of human's calendar. "we are looking at Gods 7th day from the
relative viewpoint of human calendar"
(2) In God's calendar, God "resting on the seventh day" hasn't finished, awaiting our return to Him - redemption. This is a reverse side of relative timeframe: "God is looking at human beings' living days from
His relative viewpoint of God's calendar".
The paradox has emerged ever since Adam and Eve's fall in Eden. Before their fall, God's and human calendars were the same. (sure I said this in term of human calendar)
To God, the 7th day hasn't been over; To human beings, it has been over.
Any thoughts?
