J.Davis wrote:Byblos wrote:That's fine, well, and dandy. But unless you (in general) have some kind of private revelation to the contrary, you must acknowledge that others with opposing (and possibly contradictory) views are as equally confident in their belief and are just as likely to believe they are following God's Word as they see it.
Byblos, that is exactly what my post say’s. Just a general statement about what the bible says concerning the matter. If one believes that their interpretation of God’s word is the truth than they should do as I have said and we all take account for what we say. But we absolutely should not agree with what we believe to be false teachings concerning the word of God.
Yes, I acknowledge that Christians with contradictory views are as equally confident in their belief and are just as likely to believe they are following God's Word as they see it, but how to you determine truth, is there away? Or are we to drown in relative truth?
The point I made earlier was that there is a manner in which to determine if doctrine is correct. Our society has fallen to a point that truth is determined by no one taking a stand because nobody can know the truth, truth is relative. Truth is not relative, there is a way in which one can test their own doctrines by measuring them up against what the bible plainly says about God's character, nature, how God really is. These scriptures are immune from privet interpretations.
That was all I was saying to do. I did not mean for this thread to go haywire and have good Christian people pit each other against each other. Our modern mindset concerning truth is relative is at fault. Let me give you an example:
Imagine Jesus today, using modern idea of debate, going into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. The exchange would be amusing:
Satan says – “
if you’re the son of god command these stones to turn into bread…”
Modern Jesus replies, “
It is written by Caiaphas but not agreed upon by Gamaliel because I must be balanced as truth cannot be agreed upon and therefore forever unknown so out of respect for all views one says I am and the one says I am not…"
That is how far modern scholastic thought has come.
Jesus answered simple:
It is written, thou shall not tempt the Lord thy God….
I do not think Jesus would be well received today saying such things do you?
So how do you determine truth - truth of doctrine? Can it ever be really known, or is all truth so relative and we must all bow to relativistic thought?
I stated Truth can be found so let's start...
I posted below scriptures that teach the basic principles of God’s character:
Therefore, what do these verses below say about God? What do they tell you about God?
As it is written:
2 Timothy 2:13, "If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself." [/i]
Numbers 23:19, "God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?” NKJV
Hebrews 6:18, “…that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us.”
Deuteronomy 32:4, "He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He."
Job 34:10-12 "Therefore listen to me, you men of understanding: Far be it from God to do wickedness, And from the Almighty to commit iniquity. 11 For He repays man according to his work, And makes man to find a reward according to his way. 12 Surely God will never do wickedly, nor will the Almighty pervert justice."
Psalms 92:15, "To declare that the LORD is upright; He is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in Him."
Job 8:3. "Does God subvert judgment? Or does the Almighty pervert justice?"
Zep 3:5,"The LORD is righteous in her midst, He will do no unrighteousness. Every morning He brings His justice to light; He never fails, But the unjust knows no shame."
2 Ch 19:7, "Now therefore, let the fear of the LORD be upon you; take care and do it, for there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, no partiality, nor taking of bribes."
Isa 55:8-11 - "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD. 9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts. 10 "For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater, 11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it."
Isa 46:9-10 - "Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure..."
Deuteronomy 10:17, “For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.”
Nahum 1:3 - "The LORD is slow to anger and great in power, And will not at all acquit the wicked..."NKJV
Isaiah 57:21 - "There is no peace," Says my God, "for the wicked[."NKJV
Job 37:23, "As for the Almighty, we cannot find Him; He is excellent in power, In judgment and abundant justice; He does not oppress."
Ecclesiastes 12:14, “For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.”
Jeremiah 17:10, “I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.”
As well as Ecclesiastes 3:11, 14
Pretty clear and each are very to the point. No privet interpretations needed. Each says what each says about God, revealing glimpses of His Character and Nature…
What do you learn about God from these verses?
-
-
-