RickD wrote:bbyrd009 wrote:RickD wrote:bbyrd009 wrote:RickD wrote:This debate with bbyrd is pointless.
He's admitted that he's not even a Christian. Why anyone would further debate the doctrine of the Trinity with someone who isn't even a Christian, is a waste of time.
no, i have not admitted that i am not a Christian, sorry.
Of course you did. You said that you believe Christ is not God.
That's an essential Christian belief.
Debating beliefs within Christianity, with someone who isn't a Christian, is fruitless.
no, i did not, and you cannot quote me saying that, anywhere. So wht you are now doing is making stuff up to reinforce your exclusionary view, with all due respect, which is the fruit of Trinity doctrine imo, and no other fruit can be witnessed. Or at least certainly has not been.
I said that God
is the head of Christ, and Jesus
was a Son of Man, and your view leads to many theological knots not even brought out here, that i am not inclined to go into.
Your own words:
bbyrd009 wrote:
i do not believe that Jesus was God,
not sure how much clearer i can make it, Rick.
well, you can conflate Jesus with Christ, if you like, i used to believe like that. Then i came to see that there is a way to worship Jesus like a Snake on a Pole, and there are even different names for it, Nehushtan worship, in Scripture, or Jesus cult, or personality cult, and it can of course be difficult to reflect upon oneself as being the one involved, but when you are ready to believe all things, and ready to stop knowing everything, then a time comes when you can regard the concept dispassionately, recognizing that there is no condemnation for this, as we are inclined to read, but rather it is just a thing, that many believers, particularly in the Western faith, now, are inclined toward, and it is put into Scripture for a reason, so that it may be seen.
And the signs will be many. I have no desire to offend people, but this will culminate in an OSAS doctrine, iow you believe you are "saved" right now, but at the same time you are also waiting to be saved, or Raptured, by a bodily Jesus, which you cannot adequately explain; also an
Erets understanding of Gehenna is replaced with a fear of "hell" that is plainly derived from Greek mythology, through Anglish translations (of a Norse mythology), or if you can discern another path, i would like to hear it.
"Sin" is also misunderstood, mis-interpreted, and mis-applied, as is "death," which is no longer "spiritual death," what God cares about, but is now focused on "end of physical life," despite the many explanations in Scripture, and even warnings to this effect, and also "sin" and "death" will be the primary focus of this person in conversation (re-laying the foundation, Scripture calls it), and many other signs, as well, that would hit even closer to home.
"The Bible is the Word of God" is usually present, also. One can go through the occupation of the Promised Land, before the deportation to Babylon (which might also spiritually be present in these, at some point; we even read testimonies to this effect), for more signs, which we of course ascribe to some nebulous "them," that does not agree with our set of beliefs, whoever they may be. Lots of exclusion will be going on (Promised Land, again), by these people who claim to "know" Jesus, and love Jesus, the guy who blew up the exclusionary principle in the PL. I could go on the rest of the day in this vein. Easily.
And you can resist it, but it does no good if you manifest it anyway, for all to see.
I bother in the hope that you might open your mind to the possibility, as these are all devices to keep you from finding Word.
