Evidence for God from Science

bbyrd009 wrote:

RickD wrote:

bbyrd wrote:
...God does not care what you believe...

God doesn't care if someone believes in Christ? John 3:16

Note how easily we can be having a convo about "beliefs in Christ," v "faith in Christ," though, Rick. So really, which are you asking me? Because...arg, the only reflection i have for you, is that Muslims do not "believe in" Christ like we do, and we even condemn them for this; yet Muslims--at least practicing ones, believe me, Muslims are just like Christians, mostly religious, a few escapees--in general, even the religious ones, might be seen to have plenty of faith in Christ, the Spirit, ok. Even if they use different words. God doesn't care about that. just like the Native americans, totally different words, having their "Forgivneness Ceremony" at Standing rock, right after being attacked by your Masters, with rubber bullets and dogs, and water cannons, in 25 degree weather. Right after that, a forgiveness ceremony, you want the link again? and i never heard the Name "Jesus" or "Christ" mentioned once, ok? They are being First Sons, though.

Just like i could have you, essentially, witnessing how all of the thousands of Muslims in your county, the ones that surround you, are doing, right now, despite the attitude the MSM has fostered in us about Muslims, so their friends can get richer.

RickD wrote:

bbyrd009 wrote:

RickD wrote:

bbyrd wrote:
...God does not care what you believe...

God doesn't care if someone believes in Christ? John 3:16

Note how easily we can be having a convo about "beliefs in Christ," v "faith in Christ," though, Rick. So really, which are you asking me? Because...arg, the only reflection i have for you, is that Muslims do not "believe in" Christ like we do, and we even condemn them for this; yet Muslims--at least practicing ones, believe me, Muslims are just like Christians, mostly religious, a few escapees--in general, even the religious ones, might be seen to have plenty of faith in Christ, the Spirit, ok. Even if they use different words. God doesn't care about that. just like the Native americans, totally different words, having their "Forgivneness Ceremony" at Standing rock, right after being attacked by your Masters, with rubber bullets and dogs, and water cannons, in 25 degree weather. Right after that, a forgiveness ceremony, you want the link again? and i never heard the Name "Jesus" or "Christ" mentioned once, ok? They are being First Sons, though.

Just like i could have you, essentially, witnessing how all of the thousands of Muslims in your county, the ones that surround you, are doing, right now, despite the attitude the MSM has fostered in us about Muslims, so their friends can get richer.

I'm asking you a simple question. No need for such a roundabout, complicated answer. Are you saying that God doesn't care if we believe in Christ, as in the belief in John 3:16?

bbyrd009 wrote:

RickD wrote:

bbyrd009 wrote:

RickD wrote:

bbyrd wrote:
...God does not care what you believe...

God doesn't care if someone believes in Christ? John 3:16

Note how easily we can be having a convo about "beliefs in Christ," v "faith in Christ," though, Rick. So really, which are you asking me? Because...arg, the only reflection i have for you, is that Muslims do not "believe in" Christ like we do, and we even condemn them for this; yet Muslims--at least practicing ones, believe me, Muslims are just like Christians, mostly religious, a few escapees--in general, even the religious ones, might be seen to have plenty of faith in Christ, the Spirit, ok. Even if they use different words. God doesn't care about that. just like the Native americans, totally different words, having their "Forgivneness Ceremony" at Standing rock, right after being attacked by your Masters, with rubber bullets and dogs, and water cannons, in 25 degree weather. Right after that, a forgiveness ceremony, you want the link again? and i never heard the Name "Jesus" or "Christ" mentioned once, ok? They are being First Sons, though.

Just like i could have you, essentially, witnessing how all of the thousands of Muslims in your county, the ones that surround you, are doing, right now, despite the attitude the MSM has fostered in us about Muslims, so their friends can get richer.

I'm asking you a simple question. No need for such a roundabout, complicated answer. Are you saying that God doesn't care if we believe in Christ, as in the belief in John 3:16?

well, yes and no, Rick, which is the reason for the complicated answer, ok? Are you asking me about "belief in Christ" or "faith in Christ?" the Snake on a Pole, or the Risen Savior? "Christ, and Him crucified," or "You are forgiven, when you forgive?" Sin and death, death and sin, relaying that foundation, overandover, or building that Temple, the works that save you?

RickD wrote:

bbyrd009 wrote:

RickD wrote:

bbyrd009 wrote:

RickD wrote:
God doesn't care if someone believes in Christ? John 3:16

Note how easily we can be having a convo about "beliefs in Christ," v "faith in Christ," though, Rick. So really, which are you asking me? Because...arg, the only reflection i have for you, is that Muslims do not "believe in" Christ like we do, and we even condemn them for this; yet Muslims--at least practicing ones, believe me, Muslims are just like Christians, mostly religious, a few escapees--in general, even the religious ones, might be seen to have plenty of faith in Christ, the Spirit, ok. Even if they use different words. God doesn't care about that. just like the Native americans, totally different words, having their "Forgivneness Ceremony" at Standing rock, right after being attacked by your Masters, with rubber bullets and dogs, and water cannons, in 25 degree weather. Right after that, a forgiveness ceremony, you want the link again? and i never heard the Name "Jesus" or "Christ" mentioned once, ok? They are being First Sons, though.

Just like i could have you, essentially, witnessing how all of the thousands of Muslims in your county, the ones that surround you, are doing, right now, despite the attitude the MSM has fostered in us about Muslims, so their friends can get richer.

I'm asking you a simple question. No need for such a roundabout, complicated answer. Are you saying that God doesn't care if we believe in Christ, as in the belief in John 3:16?

well, yes and no, Rick, which is the reason for the complicated answer, ok? Are you asking me about "belief in Christ" or "faith in Christ?" the Snake on a Pole, or the Risen Savior? "Christ, and Him crucified," or "You are forgiven, when you forgive?" Sin and death, death and sin, relaying that foundation, overandover, or building that Temple, the works that save you?

Good grief!

It's not rocket surgery! Does God care if we believe/trust in Christ for salvation, or not?

RickD wrote:

bbyrd009 wrote:

RickD wrote:

bbyrd wrote:
...God does not care what you believe...

God doesn't care if someone believes in Christ? John 3:16

Note how easily we can be having a convo about "beliefs in Christ," v "faith in Christ," though, Rick. So really, which are you asking me? Because...arg, the only reflection i have for you, is that Muslims do not "believe in" Christ like we do, and we even condemn them for this; yet Muslims--at least practicing ones, believe me, Muslims are just like Christians, mostly religious, a few escapees--in general, even the religious ones, might be seen to have plenty of faith in Christ, the Spirit, ok. Even if they use different words. God doesn't care about that. just like the Native americans, totally different words, having their "Forgivneness Ceremony" at Standing rock, right after being attacked by your Masters, with rubber bullets and dogs, and water cannons, in 25 degree weather. Right after that, a forgiveness ceremony, you want the link again? and i never heard the Name "Jesus" or "Christ" mentioned once, ok? They are being First Sons, though.

Just like i could have you, essentially, witnessing how all of the thousands of Muslims in your county, the ones that surround you, are doing, right now, despite the attitude the MSM has fostered in us about Muslims, so their friends can get richer.

I'm asking you a simple question. No need for such a roundabout, complicated answer. Are you saying that God doesn't care if we believe in Christ, as in the belief in John 3:16?

● Heb 10:21-23a . . Since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart, in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience

Sprinkling was a common ritual in the Old Testament-- sometimes with water, sometimes with oil, and sometimes with blood --for example: Ex 29:16, Ex 29:21, Lev 14:7, Lev 14 16, and Num 8:7, et al.

Sprinkling typically serves to de-contaminate someone or some thing in order to make it suitable for God's purposes. Well, in point of fact; none of the Old Testament's sprinklings served to sanitize people's conscience once and for all time. They had to keep bringing one sacrifice after another in a perpetual stream of sacrifices because each sacrifice cleansed their conscience just that one time instead of for all time.

● Heb 10:1-3 . . Since the law has only a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of them, it can never make perfect those who come to worship by the same sacrifices that they offer continually each year. Otherwise, would not the sacrifices have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, once cleansed, would no longer have had any consciousness of sins. But in those sacrifices there is only a yearly remembrance of sins.

Well; thanks be to God that Christ put an end to the tedium of perpetual sprinklings.

● Heb 10:14 . . By one offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

The Greek word for "perfected" in that verse is teleioo (tel-i-o'-o) which essentially speaks of completion; viz: finished.

The Greek word for "sanctified" is hagiazo (hag-ee-ad'-zo) which essentially speaks of things and/or persons set aside for God.

Heb 10:14 speaks of some pretty heavy stuff for such a brief verse. It's like they say: good things come in small packages.

"one offering for all time" is not just Golgotha but the entire Testimony of Yeshua. Golgotha paid for that Testimony which Yeshua received from above, (it was not his own: a man can receive nothing unless it be given him from the heavens, speaking of the bride and the groom, John 3:27-36). Since he paid for that Testimony with his own blood one may only be "purchased" or "ransomed' under that blood by doing the will of Elohim by way of observing that full Testimony. Testimony is Spirit and the Testimony of Yeshua is the Spirit of Grace, (and the blood), and this is how and why the blood testifies. If one does not have and hold the full Testimony of Yeshua in uprightness and in truth then the same has neither the blood nor the Spirit of the Testimony of Yeshua. In the same way it is the Testimony of Yeshua, our Kohen Gadol after the order of Melki-Tzedek, with which we are sprinkled in the Atonement process. Leviticus 16 shows that the Kohen was to sprinkle the blood seven times with his finger, and that is, for all intents and purposes, the Finger of Elohim: for the Kohen is the only one vested with the power and authority of the Almighty to send away sins upon the earth, (which is one of the reasons they accused Yeshua of blaspheming in Matthew 9:1-7, not because "only Elohim" can send away sins, but because only the Kohen was vested with such authority from on High; and that was only once in a year at Yom Kippurim). But what does Yeshua say about himself using the "Finger of Elohim"? He says that he uses it for casting out demons or devils; and therefore it can only come to pass by way of his Testimony, (if one truly understands what are meant by unclean spirits and demons or devils with their doctrines).

Leviticus 16:13-19 KJV
13 And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the LORD, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is upon the testimony, that he die not:
14 And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger upon the mercy seat eastward; and before the mercy seat shall he sprinkle of the blood with his finger seven times.
15 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
16 And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
17 And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel. [Revelation 15:8]
18 And he shall go out unto the altar that is before the LORD, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about.
19 And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel.

If one understands that each and every one of the children of Israel is likened to a miniature version of the Tabernacle of the Congregation, (just as the house-body-temple analogies of Paul), then the above makes perfect sense because the Kohen Gadol is to cleanse-purge-atone for each and every house-temple-tabernacle of each and every one of the children of Israel, (each in his or her own appointed times). That is why Yeshua says that he casts out devils or demons with the Finger of Elohim, for it is by his Testimony, just as Mary Magdalene had seven devils cast out of her, (Luke 8:2), and another place where either the same or possibly another Mary, (sister of Martha), sat at his feet and soaked up his Testimony, Teaching, and Doctrine, (Luke 10:39-42).

Luke 11:19-20
19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.
20 But if I with the Finger of Elohim cast out demons, no doubt the kingdom of Elohim is come upon you!

The Finger of Elohim statement is a quasi-claim to Priesthood, (that of Melki-Tzedek). The offering of Messiah is the full Testimony which must be applied to the header and the side posts of the house-body-temple. Since you do not have the literal blood of a literal lamb to apply to your house it is clear that it is the Testimony of Yeshua which must be applied to the door posts of your house-body-temple-tabernacle.

RickD wrote:Is it even possible for you to have a rational, intelligible conversation?

I'm being serious. Do you have a problem because of your autism?

RickD wrote:Bbyrd,

Please post the link from where you take quotes. This is basic forum etiquette. You cannot just copy and paste quotes, without showing the site from where you got them.

RickD wrote:And you have just shown again, with this answer, why I asked the question. When addressing fairly straightforward questions, instead of giving an answer with a brief explanation, you write a novel consisting of very vague answers. You don't even give an answer to the question.

Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.
It is no error if you understand there are four generations of man:

Proverbs 30:11-14 KJV
11 There is a generation [1] that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
12 There is a generation [2] that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
13 There is a generation, [3] O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
14 There is a generation, [4] whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, [teeth of iron, Daniel 7:7] to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

The same happens in both the Matthew and Luke versions of the following:

Matthew 12:38-45 KJV
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation [1] seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, [2] and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, [3] and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation [4].

So be careful what you ask for, (signs), because there is no such thing as a "generational curse", as some think they read in the Torah, that is, "to the third and fourth generation" concerning physical seed lines, (because it is supernal in meaning: four generations to the one man in his "house"). These four generations are the first "age" of the man, like the four seasons in a full year: autumn, winter, spring, and the summer of your wheat harvest, (when the fig puts forth its foliage you know that summer is near: the signs are supernal). Those accounted worthy to obtain the next "age", and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: neither can they die any more, for they are equal to the messengers, and are sons of Elohim, being sons of the resurrection, (this does not speak of the physical death of the body).