Perhaps Energy?abelcainsbrother wrote:Kenny, what stuff in our world did not come into being?
Perhaps Matter?
Perhaps Dark Energy?
Perhaps Dark Matter?
What stuff in our world DID come into being?
Ken
Perhaps Energy?abelcainsbrother wrote:Kenny, what stuff in our world did not come into being?
No; I don’t believe I have a choice in what I believe. I may be able to an extent choose the direction of what I believe, but in order to believe I must be convinced first; belief is not a choice. For me, belief happens after reason and logic demands it; never before.PaulSacramento wrote:So you are saying that YOU have NO choice in what you believe?Audie wrote:That may be the bright line that distinguishes "believers' from other people.PaulSacramento wrote:Everything we believe in involves a CHOICE to believe in it.
Atheism is a choice.
It is a choice to NOT believe the evidence for God and TO BELIEVE the evidence that no god exists.
"Choosing" to believe. Deciding what to believe.
I dont doubt that some-the believers- can just decide to believe something, and then believe it.
Doesn't work that way for me. No more than I can do the White Queen thing and believe 6 impossible things before breakfast.
RickD wrote:Of course we all choose to believe what we believe.
Anyone who says differently makes no sense.
I choose to believe God exists.
Kenny chooses to believe God doesn't exist.
My choosing to believe God exists, doesn't make God exist, just like Kenny choosing to believe God doesn't exist, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist, just because Kenny believes He doesn't exist.
And just because someone chooses to believe he can fly like a bird, that doesn't mean he can.
What do you think of the point I made?RickD wrote:Of course we all choose to believe what we believe.
Anyone who says differently makes no sense.
I choose to believe God exists.
Kenny chooses to believe God doesn't exist.
My choosing to believe God exists, doesn't make God exist, just like Kenny choosing to believe God doesn't exist, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist, just because Kenny believes He doesn't exist.
And just because someone chooses to believe he can fly like a bird, that doesn't mean he can.
It is increasingly accepted that the isolated "primitive" tribes of the Amazon are relict populations,Kenny wrote:Danieltwotwenty wrote:Kenny wrote:So you would call a person who does not believe in God, and makes no claim about God, an Abelief? Are you kidding me? That isn't even a word! Care to try again? Hint: Atheism is not defined as disbelief because all atheists believe in something, they just don't believe in God.Danieltwotwenty wrote:They would be the same way in reference to morals, they would be amoral instead or moral or immoral. They have no concept of morality and what it entails hence they are amoral. It would be the same way with beliefs, the have no concept of God (belief) or what it is and they have no concept of atheism (disbelief) or what that is, they would have abeliefs as opposed to having beliefs. A baby or severely mentally disabled person cannot be an atheist, as they have no understanding of what it means to be atheist.Kenny wrote: Okay; so if people with no concept of God are not Atheist, what are they?
Ken
Ken
I realise I made up a word, I had to because one does not exist, mainly because we usually don't talk about babies and the severely mentally disabled as having beliefs or unbelief as they are not capable of either. The same way we don't talk about talk about babies and the severely mentally disabled as being moral or immoral. In both cases they are not capable and would be a-XXXXXXXX
A baby can no more make a decision about morals than it can about beliefs, hence a baby cannot be am atheist.
As I mentioned earlier, what about the Piraha people? They have no concept of God, they are not babies, they are not retarded, and they are not immoral. They have plenty of beliefs, and they have plenty of unbeliefs. What would you call them?
Ken
Yeah.... and some of them are Atheists too!Audie wrote:It is increasingly accepted that the isolated "primitive" tribes of the Amazon are relict populations,Kenny wrote:Danieltwotwenty wrote:Kenny wrote:So you would call a person who does not believe in God, and makes no claim about God, an Abelief? Are you kidding me? That isn't even a word! Care to try again? Hint: Atheism is not defined as disbelief because all atheists believe in something, they just don't believe in God.Danieltwotwenty wrote:
They would be the same way in reference to morals, they would be amoral instead or moral or immoral. They have no concept of morality and what it entails hence they are amoral. It would be the same way with beliefs, the have no concept of God (belief) or what it is and they have no concept of atheism (disbelief) or what that is, they would have abeliefs as opposed to having beliefs. A baby or severely mentally disabled person cannot be an atheist, as they have no understanding of what it means to be atheist.
Ken
I realise I made up a word, I had to because one does not exist, mainly because we usually don't talk about babies and the severely mentally disabled as having beliefs or unbelief as they are not capable of either. The same way we don't talk about talk about babies and the severely mentally disabled as being moral or immoral. In both cases they are not capable and would be a-XXXXXXXX
A baby can no more make a decision about morals than it can about beliefs, hence a baby cannot be am atheist.
As I mentioned earlier, what about the Piraha people? They have no concept of God, they are not babies, they are not retarded, and they are not immoral. They have plenty of beliefs, and they have plenty of unbeliefs. What would you call them?
Ken
posy apocalyptic if you like, refugees. The loss of culture under such conditions is inevitable.
With a capital "A"?Kenny wrote:Yeah.... and some of them are Atheists too!Audie wrote:It is increasingly accepted that the isolated "primitive" tribes of the Amazon are relict populations,Kenny wrote:Danieltwotwenty wrote:Kenny wrote: So you would call a person who does not believe in God, and makes no claim about God, an Abelief? Are you kidding me? That isn't even a word! Care to try again? Hint: Atheism is not defined as disbelief because all atheists believe in something, they just don't believe in God.
Ken
I realise I made up a word, I had to because one does not exist, mainly because we usually don't talk about babies and the severely mentally disabled as having beliefs or unbelief as they are not capable of either. The same way we don't talk about talk about babies and the severely mentally disabled as being moral or immoral. In both cases they are not capable and would be a-XXXXXXXX
A baby can no more make a decision about morals than it can about beliefs, hence a baby cannot be am atheist.
As I mentioned earlier, what about the Piraha people? They have no concept of God, they are not babies, they are not retarded, and they are not immoral. They have plenty of beliefs, and they have plenty of unbeliefs. What would you call them?
Ken
post- apocalyptic if you like, refugees. The loss of culture under such conditions is inevitable.
K
Yes, let's not forget those Pirahã people.Kenny wrote:Yeah.... and some of them are Atheists too!Audie wrote: It is increasingly accepted that the isolated "primitive" tribes of the Amazon are relict populations,
posy apocalyptic if you like, refugees. The loss of culture under such conditions is inevitable.
I mean-like totally god- they are right there!Kurieuo wrote:Yes, let's not forget those Pirahã people.Kenny wrote:Yeah.... and some of them are Atheists too!Audie wrote: It is increasingly accepted that the isolated "primitive" tribes of the Amazon are relict populations,
posy apocalyptic if you like, refugees. The loss of culture under such conditions is inevitable.
Don't read too much in to it, i capitalize everythingAudie wrote:With a capital "A"?Kenny wrote:Yeah.... and some of them are Atheists too!Audie wrote:It is increasingly accepted that the isolated "primitive" tribes of the Amazon are relict populations,Kenny wrote:Danieltwotwenty wrote:
I realise I made up a word, I had to because one does not exist, mainly because we usually don't talk about babies and the severely mentally disabled as having beliefs or unbelief as they are not capable of either. The same way we don't talk about talk about babies and the severely mentally disabled as being moral or immoral. In both cases they are not capable and would be a-XXXXXXXX
A baby can no more make a decision about morals than it can about beliefs, hence a baby cannot be am atheist.
As I mentioned earlier, what about the Piraha people? They have no concept of God, they are not babies, they are not retarded, and they are not immoral. They have plenty of beliefs, and they have plenty of unbeliefs. What would you call them?
Ken
post- apocalyptic if you like, refugees. The loss of culture under such conditions is inevitable.
K
With a capital "P"? Oh yeah don't read too much in to it (LOL)Kurieuo wrote:Yes, let's not forget those Pirahã people.Kenny wrote:Yeah.... and some of them are Atheists too!Audie wrote: It is increasingly accepted that the isolated "primitive" tribes of the Amazon are relict populations,
posy apocalyptic if you like, refugees. The loss of culture under such conditions is inevitable.
Prrhaps you could use a little nap?Kenny wrote:With a capital "P"? Oh yeah don't read too much in to it (LOL)Kurieuo wrote:Yes, let's not forget those Pirahã people.Kenny wrote:Yeah.... and some of them are Atheists too!Audie wrote: It is increasingly accepted that the isolated "primitive" tribes of the Amazon are relict populations,
posy apocalyptic if you like, refugees. The loss of culture under such conditions is inevitable.
K
No sense of humor huh?Audie wrote:Prrhaps you could use a little nap?Kenny wrote:With a capital "P"? Oh yeah don't read too much in to it (LOL)Kurieuo wrote:Yes, let's not forget those Pirahã people.Kenny wrote:Yeah.... and some of them are Atheists too!Audie wrote: It is increasingly accepted that the isolated "primitive" tribes of the Amazon are relict populations,
posy apocalyptic if you like, refugees. The loss of culture under such conditions is inevitable.
K
Are you talking about this point?Kenny wrote:What do you think of the point I made?RickD wrote:Of course we all choose to believe what we believe.
Anyone who says differently makes no sense.
I choose to believe God exists.
Kenny chooses to believe God doesn't exist.
My choosing to believe God exists, doesn't make God exist, just like Kenny choosing to believe God doesn't exist, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist, just because Kenny believes He doesn't exist.
And just because someone chooses to believe he can fly like a bird, that doesn't mean he can.
Ken
I'm not sure I get the comparison. I don't choose to believe I can fly like a bird, because I don't have wings. You don't choose to believe in God, Christ, and the message of the cross, because you misunderstand first, the concept of who God is. And, that, in your mind, leads you to believe atheism is logical.In the context of this conversation, I am no more able to choose to believe what is required to be Christian, than you can choose to believe you can fly like a bird.