Evidence for God from Science

MarcusOfLycia wrote:The more I read this thread, the more confused I get. It feels like a dozen different things are being discussed, and as soon as we respond to something, the topic changes again. Its getting really frustrating. Brevity is the soul of wit 'whynot'. For the sake of us who don't have tons of time on our hands please try to be clear, brief, and to the point.

Canuckster1127 wrote:What you call assumptions, others refer to as revealed truth.

derrick09 wrote:How...do atheists expect themselves or others to find meaning and purpose in life when meaning and purpose are eliminated when you take God out of the equation?...

whynot wrote:

Canuckster1127 wrote:What you call assumptions, others refer to as revealed truth.

whynot: Indeed, the most "utilitarian epistemic approach" one can embrace. I only wish the source was more democratic in its deployment. Playing favorites in the methodology is anything but morally commendable. Just look at the confusion and bloodshed this has engendered down through the ages.

Canuckster1127 wrote:

whynot wrote:

Canuckster1127 wrote:What you call assumptions, others refer to as revealed truth.

whynot: Indeed, the most "utilitarian epistemic approach" one can embrace. I only wish the source was more democratic in its deployment. Playing favorites in the methodology is anything but morally commendable. Just look at the confusion and bloodshed this has engendered down through the ages.

That's a human characteristic and it applies in many areas, including religion, but there's no shortage of examples of those who have take a militant bent on atheism and killed in that vein as well.

B. W. wrote:

derrick09 wrote:How...do atheists expect themselves or others to find meaning and purpose in life when meaning and purpose are eliminated when you take God out of the equation?...

I think the ol 1960's song refrain sums it up best:

"La,La, La, live for today..."
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Murray wrote:Atheist would do anything to preserve their life(as they believe it is the only one they have), including cowardice, this is why I would have a hard time serving in the military with them.

whynot wrote:

B. W. wrote:

derrick09 wrote:How...do atheists expect themselves or others to find meaning and purpose in life when meaning and purpose are eliminated when you take God out of the equation?...

I think the ol 1960's song refrain sums it up best:

"La,La, La, live for today..."
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Then it's your position that atheists are unable to look forward and plan for tomorrow? The only thing taken out of the equation of meaning and purpose sans God is whatever meaning and purpose each believer believes he/she has derived from their god belief...and that is all. Each of us will still behave according to the previous axioms I've already articulated, unless we engage in behaviors that mitigate against our own existence or have no desire to improve our lives. Since most sinners turn to God for salvation, which is defined as becoming a new creature, in so doing admit to the lack of value derived from their old sin nature, so being a new creature must necessarily be an improvement to their lives, thereby belying the desire to find a life they can live with.

whynot wrote:

Murray wrote:Atheist would do anything to preserve their life(as they believe it is the only one they have), including cowardice, this is why I would have a hard time serving in the military with them.

whynot: Yeah, with an after-life waiting or 72 virgins...depending on your flavor...strap on them explosives and go git 'er done cowboy.

B. W. wrote:

whynot wrote:

B. W. wrote:

derrick09 wrote:How...do atheists expect themselves or others to find meaning and purpose in life when meaning and purpose are eliminated when you take God out of the equation?...

I think the ol 1960's song refrain sums it up best:

"La,La, La, live for today..."
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Then it's your position that atheists are unable to look forward and plan for tomorrow? The only thing taken out of the equation of meaning and purpose sans God is whatever meaning and purpose each believer believes he/she has derived from their god belief...and that is all. Each of us will still behave according to the previous axioms I've already articulated, unless we engage in behaviors that mitigate against our own existence or have no desire to improve our lives. Since most sinners turn to God for salvation, which is defined as becoming a new creature, in so doing admit to the lack of value derived from their old sin nature, so being a new creature must necessarily be an improvement to their lives, thereby belying the desire to find a life they can live with.

Canuckster1127 wrote:

whynot wrote:

Canuckster1127 wrote:What you call assumptions, others refer to as revealed truth.

whynot: Indeed, the most "utilitarian epistemic approach" one can embrace. I only wish the source was more democratic in its deployment. Playing favorites in the methodology is anything but morally commendable. Just look at the confusion and bloodshed this has engendered down through the ages.

That's a human characteristic and it applies in many areas, including religion, but there's no shortage of examples of those who have take a militant bent on atheism and killed in that vein as well.

whynot wrote:Then it's your position that atheists are unable to look forward and plan for tomorrow? The only thing taken out of the equation of meaning and purpose sans God is whatever meaning and purpose each believer believes he/she has derived from their god belief...and that is all. Each of us will still behave according to the previous axioms I've already articulated, unless we engage in behaviors that mitigate against our own existence or have no desire to improve our lives. Since most sinners turn to God for salvation, which is defined as becoming a new creature, in so doing admit to the lack of value derived from their old sin nature, so being a new creature must necessarily be an improvement to their lives, thereby belying the desire to find a life they can live with.

Or you can embrace the fairytale of angels wings...without a shred of evidence...harshly judge everyone who, for whatever reason, does not subscribe to your fantasy, and go through life pretending you're all that moral, when in reality you can't even contain the urge to exhibit sarcasm, in spite of all these claims to a moral and ethical advantage. You would think a mod would lead by example. There's really nothing in my previous response that warrants a sarcastic knee jerk reaction. If you don't wish to entertain conflicting positions then shut down this site and go bury your head back in the sand.

The fact that I can and do care, without a god belief, remains uncontestable. You don't have the ability to "believe" those facts out of existence.

La La La - Live for today...

whynot: I do...and tomorrow...and every continuous day thereafter.

whynot wrote:

Canuckster1127 wrote:

whynot wrote:

Canuckster1127 wrote:What you call assumptions, others refer to as revealed truth.

whynot: Indeed, the most "utilitarian epistemic approach" one can embrace. I only wish the source was more democratic in its deployment. Playing favorites in the methodology is anything but morally commendable. Just look at the confusion and bloodshed this has engendered down through the ages.

That's a human characteristic and it applies in many areas, including religion, but there's no shortage of examples of those who have take a militant bent on atheism and killed in that vein as well.

whynot: Yabut...if God is able to divinely inspire/reveal his central truths to some men...why not just do so for all men? Why play favorites? If all men were treated equally by God there'd be no atheism, competing religions or even denominations...yes?