Evidence for God from Science

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

snorider wrote:We once were segregated by race, and before that, slavery. Leviticus 25:44-46
We have corrected ourselves of racial segregation, we also corrected slavery.
Using God's "divine command morality" to justify the hate towards homosexuals, or judging the way they live is morally reprehensible.

Jordan

The Levitical laws no longer apply, God gave us these commands Matthew 22:36-40 36

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I don't understand, the whole of the old testament is disregarded? That's convenient.

Regardless, the New Testament also states that marriage is specifically between a Man and a Woman.
Defining marriage between ONLY a MAN and a WOMAN is still advocating hate towards anyone else that doesn't meet this criteria.
Using God's "divine command morality" to justify hate of ANY group is morally reprehensible.

Jordan


"For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body." - Ephesians 5:23

snorider wrote:I don't understand, the whole of the old testament is disregarded? That's convenient.

Who said anything about disregarding it, we can still learn lessons from it. I said it was not for us, it was for the Israelites and there were specific reasons behind the laws given.

snorider wrote:Regardless, the New Testament also states that marriage is specifically between a Man and a Woman.
Defining marriage between ONLY a MAN and a WOMAN is still advocating hate towards anyone else that doesn't meet this criteria.
Using God's "divine command morality" to justify hate of ANY group is morally reprehensible.

This is a baseless assertion, in fact we are told to do the opposite of hate.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one to another.

John 13:34

Defining what marriage is or isn't has nothing to do with hate, you would need to explain in more detail how you come to that conclusion.

Dan

snorider wrote:http://gawker.com/5953357/missouri-past ... ist-ending

How is that an answer, that video had nothing to do with people hateing homosexuals, the marriage act has nothing to do with hate.

Christians should love the sinners and hate the sin, unfortunately Christians are not perfect people and they get it wrong sometimes.

Being against the gay marriage act is not an act of hate, just as being against any other legislation is not an act of hate.

You can oppose something without hateing it.

I am all for the gay community having the same rights legally as hetero couples, just don't change the marriage act. see no hate there!!

Our Prime minister Julia Gillard who is an avowed atheist is against changing the marriage act, here are her reasons.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/gillard- ... -zkcj.html

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 6392375908
Dan

Thought I would weigh in on this... This question comes up a billion times, so much I'm tired of it. Why judge or hate homosexuals, etc...?

We are told from scripture that the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23. Therefore anyone who sins against the Torah will encounter spiritual and ultimately physical death. So of course we need to stop to sin. Why? Because we don't want to see people die. We hate the sin but not the person sinning. Heck, we all sin and are guilty of it... And sexual sin comes in many many forms.

1. Pornography.
2. Masturbation.
3. Fornication (sex before marriage).
4. Adultery.
5. Homosexuality.
6. Bestiality.
7. Incest.

G-d requires that we are to be absolutely pure before Him 1 Peter 1:16, Acts 15:29, 1 Corinthians 5:1–5, 1 Corinthians 5:9–11, 1 Corinthians 6:9–11, 1 Corinthians 10:8, Galatians 5:19, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Thessalonians 4:3–7, Revelation 2:21–23.

Ultimately G-d loved us so much that He died for the sinner.. Romans 5:8. That is what believers need to do also. We all blew it and it's not exactly homosexual sin. It's ALL sin..

Acts 8:30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.

Acts 8:31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

I really dislike this being brought up, let me explain why. Way back in the day, religious officials were THE educated people. If you were in any form of religious leadership, you were a very well educated person and were an authority figure. The majority of people were not educated at all. They were in working classes that could not afford a formal education. For this reason, they depended upon the religious leaders to, well, lead them. Things have changed though. I am a very well educated person. I do not NEED someone to tell me what I am supposed to believe. I am fully capable of reading and interpreting a work of literature and applying the messages within the Work to my life. I do definitely agree that it is very important to get other peoples views on the Scripture. I do not think that it is possible to fully formulate a religious belief system without outsider experience and information. Some people may have experienced things in their lives to lead them to interpret the Scripture differently than you may have ever thought to. That is why I am on here. I have acquired a wealth of information from all of you regarding my faith. I definitely don't agree with a lot of the things that you may say, but I am from a different place in life so that is to be expected. If you took somebody from 100 years ago and explained your faith and beliefs to them, they would be confused too because they would view things FAR differently.

The Levitical laws no longer apply, God gave us these commands Matthew 22:36-40 36

I find this quote to be interesting because it is an interesting case in which we can say "This from the Bible is no longer applicable to society". I definitely agree that there are a lot of things in the Bible that are no longer applicable to our modern day society (and obviously in relevance to this post, homosexuality is one of those things). A lot of things said in the Old Testament are no longer relevant to us. In fact, I believe that a lot of things from the Old Testament started being irrelevant during the time frame of the New Testament. This is not to say that we can simply "throw out" the Old Testament. I think that we can definitely gain a lot of information from the Old Testament, we just can't use all of it.

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Honestly, this is all that anything should be boiled down to. It is my personal belief that if I love God above all things and love all people (whether I agree with them or not), I will not have to fear "the wrath of God" after death.

Also, I watched that video. I had seen it before. I think that it is hilarious and I really appreciated the fact that someone posted it here. So great

mlynchrules wrote:I really dislike this being brought up, let me explain why. Way back in the day, religious officials were THE educated people. If you were in any form of religious leadership, you were a very well educated person and were an authority figure. The majority of people were not educated at all. They were in working classes that could not afford a formal education. For this reason, they depended upon the religious leaders to, well, lead them.

How do you know that the Ethiopian Eunuch wasn't educated? I mean he was reading and Scripture claims:

Acts 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

We may claim that the eunuch wasn't educated but it makes more sense that a queen would place an educated man with great authority in charge of, of all things; her treasure.

mlynchrules wrote: I do not NEED someone to tell me what I am supposed to believe.

I agree. But the apostles were led by the Holy Spirit. The Spirit told Philip to travel south, evidently to meet with this Ethiopian. Ethiopia after all, became one of the very first Christian nations. That's history.

mlynchrules wrote: I am fully capable of reading and interpreting a work of literature and applying the messages within the Work to my life.

Because you were educated by educators.

mlynchrules wrote:Some people may have experienced things in their lives to lead them to interpret the Scripture differently than you may have ever thought to.

Yes. I am well aware of a number of Christian cults, where individualistic interpretation of Scripture has led to a severing with the majority of Christians including the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. In the book of Revelation, it mentions a group called the Nicolaitanes back in the first century. Accordingly, the Nicolaitanes who claimed to be Christians, apparently reached a compromise with pagan society and began to preach that spiritual liberty gave them license to practice idolatry and adultery. (NIV notes) God claims to hate the practices of the Nicolaitanes.(Rev 2:6,15)

mlynchrules wrote: If you took somebody from 100 years ago and explained your faith and beliefs to them, they would be confused too because they would view things FAR differently.

No, I disagree. Other than changes in language, the Christian message has been very consistent for the last 2 millenia based on a series of core beliefs, accepted by those who claim to be Christian.