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Re: What’s the worst that could happen?
Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 11:35 am
by Jac3510
Kenny wrote:So if I understand you correctly, at that time people will have "practical Impeccibality" and the ability to see God; two things people do not have right now; so nobody will have the desire to sin. Is that correct?
You've weakened the argument by making it about desire, but it is
at least that, yes. The blessed will not desire sin because they will see
perfectly what is good, what is rational, what is right, and
that is what will make it desirable. But, insofar as desires are concerned, that is correct. Not only will they not desire it, but they will look upon the very idea with a stomach turning wretch. Even the idea of the smallest sin to them is more reviling than the actual act of raping and murdering your mother is to you today.
Re: What’s the worst that could happen?
Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 1:11 pm
by Kenny
Jac3510 wrote:Kenny wrote:So if I understand you correctly, at that time people will have "practical Impeccibality" and the ability to see God; two things people do not have right now; so nobody will have the desire to sin. Is that correct?
You've weakened the argument by making it about desire, but it is
at least that, yes. The blessed will not desire sin because they will see
perfectly what is good, what is rational, what is right, and
that is what will make it desirable. But, insofar as desires are concerned, that is correct. Not only will they not desire it, but they will look upon the very idea with a stomach turning wretch. Even the idea of the smallest sin to them is more reviling than the actual act of raping and murdering your mother is to you today.
If practical impeccability and the ability to see God prevents people from having that desire to sin in the new world; why do you suppose God didn’t give people this in the current world? Seems a lot of sin could have been prevented
Ken
Re: What’s the worst that could happen?
Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 2:37 pm
by Jac3510
Because God saw it fitting to make that end (the beatific vision) a gift, which entails an offer and acceptance. The same held true for angels, by the way. Some accepted the gift, and others rejected it and fell. See the page I linked Paul to earlier for an in depth discussion on that.
Re: What’s the worst that could happen?
Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 4:25 pm
by Kenny
Jac3510 wrote:Because God saw it fitting to make that end (the beatific vision) a gift, which entails an offer and acceptance. The same held true for angels, by the way. Some accepted the gift, and others rejected it and fell. See the page I linked Paul to earlier for an in depth discussion on that.
Thanks for your perspective
Ken