OK Kenny, here we go:
Malz claimed when people do wrong, they do not believe what they are doing is wrong.
First, that is not my claim. (along with your misrepresentation of me by saying "In other words; a person who steals, lies, cheats, rapes a child, whatever… if he does it he doesn’t believe it is wrong")
You took part of my quote from:
Trusting and believing do have to do with behavior. If you stole when no one is looking, then you don't believe it is wrong. You just believe everyone else says it's wrong and need to make sure they don't find out about it. Same with the self proclaimed Christian. And you can't equate stealing with no regard, with those that continue to beat their wives, abuse their children, and unapologetic about it. Show me someone who beats their wives or abuses their children and I'll show you someone who isn't a Christian
Guess what the underlined is? A statement defending moral relativism as reality based off of belief and behavior. Again, context.
Then you say:
Most people agree on the simple things concerning morality; don’t cheat, don’t steal, Golden Rule, etc. I agree on these things as does most people. That’s the point I was making
Responded with:
I disagree that most people agree on things concerning morality. I think people tend to interpret morality based on themselves. Everyone agrees stealing is wrong? Why is piracy so rampant as an example?
The very beginning of our conversation started like this:
Kenny: And my views of right and wrong for the most part is the same as what most people view right and wrong.
Mallz: Without an objective measure of good and evil... Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
If you understood this passage you would have read it to say:
'I knew wrong when I found out wrong but didn't know I was doing wrong until I found out it was wrong'.
This passage was a foundational point (during my first post) as to our discussion with morality.
It shows two things. One, right and wrong exist. Two, humanity didn't know they were doing things that were wrong until it was shown to them by a standard higher than them.
This shows people do wrong knowingly and unknowingly.
If there were any merit to your claim, you could give examples of me doing it.
Ok, I'll give you an example of how you don't listen to what I say.
At the end of our conversing you asked:
What about you? Are you sinless? Or do you not accept and believe what your religion is telling you.
Now I answered this question
twice in our conversation. Twice, Kenny.
Kenny: Not sure what you mean by” behave according to belief” but if it means to quit sinning, then according to your logic nobody believes Jesus Christ is their God king; christians included because they still sin and make mistakes.
Mallz: No it doesn't mean quit sinning. We are incapable of perfection as mortals.
Kenny: Most people don’t do wrong out of ignorance; they do wrong due to character flaws and moral weaknesses. What about you? Have you ever done wrong? Or are you perfect.
Mallz: We are incapable of perfection as mortals
Last time I checked I was a part of the human race and am included in 'we'.
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