Stu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:57 am
Ok, let's see what the scriptures say.
1).
Genesis 1:7-9 King James Version
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Here we see the according to the Blue Letter Bible Hebrews use the word "raqiya" which has the firmament as a
solid, not some vapour :s
If we focus on what the text actually says instead of what ancient Hebrews thought this is very simple.
God divides the water under the firmament (ie on the surface of the earth)
from the water above the firmament (ie in the atmosphere)
And again we can easily verify the accuracy of Scripture.
Today there is water under the firmament (on the surface of the earth).
Today there is water above the firmament (in the atmosphere)
2).
Genesis 14-17 King James Version
14 And God said, Let there be lights IN the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights IN the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set IN the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Here we see that the Bible says that the Moon, Sun and Stars are
IN the firmament.
The Bible clearly states three time that God placed the Sun, Moon and Stars IN the firmament?
As I have mentioned repeatedly the text tells us that God placed the light from the sun, moon, and stars in the sky/firmament.
And the light from the sun, moon, and stars is still visible in the sky/firmament to this very day .
Note: God does not create (barah) the sun, moon, and stars in verse 17.
The sun, moon, and stars were created (barah) with the rest of the heavens back in Genesis 1:1
In Genesis 1:17 God placed the light from the sun, moon, and stars in the sky/firmament (ie made the light visible in the sky).
3).
Joshua 10:12-14 King James Version
12 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.
And here the granddaddy of them all, Joshua asks the Lord to stop the sun and moon, and it says that the sun and moon stood still. How is that explained in the heliocentric model??
Its not "explained" in any model.
Why?
It was a miracle!
And this text says nothing about the shape of the earth.
4).
1 Chronicles 16:27-34 New International Version
30 Tremble before him, all the earth!
The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.
Why would God even use such language as "The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."
Because as I mentioned before, this is an accurate observation from the perspective of the surface of the earth.
And once more... this passage says nothing about the shape of the earth
5).
Isaiah 66:1 King James Version
1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Are you claiming that this passage says that God has physical feet?
Yes...
"the earth is my footstool" is a metaphor
6).
Isaiah 22:18 King James Version
18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.
Isaiah 40:22 King James Version
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
And here we see that Isaiah knew the difference between a ball and a circle.
Note the phrase "spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in". What does a tent look like? It has a flat bottom and a dome over it..... again the flat earth version just happens to fit perfectly with what the Bible says.
7).
Isaiah 34:4 King James Version
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
Note that it refers to their 'host" shall fall down, as a leaf or fig falling from the vine and tree. Those are connected to something.
Just as I showed with that Pastor Carl Gallups video, he had a vision of the rapture and the stars that fell to earth were in fact angelic beings not gignatic stars, just as the BIble says and the ancient Hebrews believed. Amazing how it lines up with the flat earth view.
And it makes more sense than rolling up the universe/space, rather the firmament will be rolled up and reveal Jesus in heaven.
8 ).
1 Samuel 2:8 King James Version
8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.
This is pretty specific language. "pillars of the earth". God could have used anything to explain but he chose pillars.
9).
Revelation 7:1-5 King James Version
7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
A globe doesn't have four corners in any way whatsoever, a flat surface does.
Again even if it was a metaphor, at some point the metaphors have got to line up with reality in some way, they don't all the time unless the earth is flat of course.
10).
Job 38:4 King James Version
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Foundations, something that has foundations has a bottom, the globe earth hanging in empty space has no bottom or foundation, it has a center.
Remember this is God speaking.
11).
Job 38:6 King James Version
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Sounds like the foundations are fastened to something? What is a globe earth in space fastened to?
Perhaps the foundations are fastened to pillars that are spoken of earlier as in a flat earth model?
Corner stone? Does it get any clearer that it is not a globe.
Remember this is God speaking.
12).
Job 38:14 Amplified Bible
14 “The earth is changed like clay into which a seal is pressed;
And the things [of the earth] stand out like a [multi-colored] garment.
Remember this is God talking.
And here it settles it all. When clay is pressed with a seal it makes it flat, with up turned edges (set a boundary for the seas). When you press a seal into a piece of clay it DOES NOT form a globe in any way shape or form or metaphor.
Hugh Ross deals with a number of these Scriptures in his article
Is the Bible a Flat-Earth Book?
https://reasons.org/publications/is-the ... arth-book/
14).
2 Peter 1:20-21 King James Bible
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
I believe that all scripture is God inspired and good for teaching.
I believe all Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit, good for teaching, and
TRUE!!.
Therefore if anyone claims that Scripture teaches a known lie then I know for a fact that person's interpretation of Scripture is false.
