Evidence for God from Science

B. W. wrote:Hi CeT-To,

Did the above comment help you discover an answer, or provides answers, to your question?
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Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

Luke 16:19-31

Here the spiritual things are represented, in a description of the different state of good and bad, in this world and in the other. We are not told that the rich man got his estate by fraud, or oppression; but Christ shows, that a man may have a great deal of the wealth, pomp, and pleasure of this world, yet perish for ever under God's wrath and curse.

The sin of this rich man was his providing for himself only. Here is a godly man, and one that will hereafter be happy for ever, in the depth of adversity and distress. It is often the lot of some of the dearest of God's saints and servants to be greatly afflicted in this world. We are not told that the rich man did him any harm, but we do not find that he had any care for him.

Here is the different condition of this godly poor man, and this wicked rich man, at and after death. The rich man in hell lifted up his eyes, being in torment. It is not probable that there are discourses between glorified saints and damned sinners, but this dialogue shows the hopeless misery and fruitless desires, to which condemned spirits are brought.

There is a day coming, when those who now hate and despise the people of God, would gladly receive kindness from them. But the damned in hell shall not have the least abatement of their torment. Sinners are now called upon to remember; but they do not, they will not, they find ways to avoid it. As wicked people have good things only in this life, and at death are forever separated from all good, so godly people have evil things only in this life, and at death they are forever put from them.

In this world, blessed be God, there is no gulf between a state of nature and grace, we may pass from sin to God; but if we die in our sins, there is no coming out. The rich man had five brethren, and would have them stopped in their sinful course; their coming to that place of torment, would make his misery the worse, who had helped to show them the way thither. How many would now desire to recall or to undo what they have written or done!

Those who would make the rich man's praying to Abraham justify praying to saints departed, go far to seek for proofs, when the mistake of a damned sinner is all they can find for an example. And surely there is no encouragement to follow the example, when all his prayers were made in vain. A messenger from the dead could say no more than what is said in the Scriptures.

The same strength of corruption that breaks through the convictions of the written word, would triumph over a witness from the dead. Let us seek to the law and to the testimony, Isaiah 8:19, Isaiah 8:20, for that is the sure word of prophecy, upon which we may rest, 2 Peter 1:19. Circumstances in every age show that no terrors, or arguments, can give true repentance without the special grace of God renewing the sinner's heart.

B. W. wrote:Now unto subject of the particular judgment and final judgment in brief talking points:

When we die we (our spiritual essence) goes immediately to face judgment as it s written in Hebrews 9:27. There one will either go be with the Lord or to the other place as Isaiah 24:22 (Sheol) alludes too as being shut up in a prison. There they wait the final judgment when such person's spiritual being is reunited with their body in final commuting of sentence (Revelation 20:11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and Daniel 12:2)

There are several reasons why this form of resurrected reuniting to occur. One is for the cleansing of the earth in accordance to the principle lain out in Leviticus 5:2, Haggai 2:13, and Numbers 19:13 because according to Revelation 21:3 and Revelation 22:3 the Tabernacle of God will be on the earth — uniting heaven and earth together so all unclean things have to be removed (Revelation21:8) elsewhere. Another reason is that God keeps his word and promises but that is even a deeper truth than the one mentioned above some of this has been written about on this very thread.

According to the bible everything that touches something that dies is considered unclean and needs to be cleased and cannot touch or be part of the Tabernacle of God. Therefore, the unclean things are removed so that the Dwelling Place of God rests on the new earth so that heaven and earth are united.Things that defile are removed elswhere banished away that would be one reason why the rich man would find himself in the lake of fire forever banished away from God.

CeT-To wrote:Ahhh okie but why is the rich man burning in flames? is that how sheol is described ? because why would God them move the damned from one bruning place to another? do you mind explaining this B.W.?

thanx so much by the way for providing lots of info

B. W. wrote:

CeT-To wrote:Ahhh okie but why is the rich man burning in flames? is that how sheol is described ? because why would God them move the damned from one bruning place to another? do you mind explaining this B.W.?

thanx so much by the way for providing lots of info

Sorry about not understanding your question fully as I should

Sheol is described several ways in the bible a place of fire from Luke 16, Ezekiel 31:16 a pit, this pit described in Ezekiel 32:18, 23, 23, 24, 26, 31 as round with varied levels - with chambers embedded within its walls - inhabitants mentally aware. Job 26:5-6 those there are alive as they can tremble. A Place of darkness, fire, heat, oppression is described elsewhere in the bible.

In other words sheol is described in many different ways. So therefore, sheol must be a big place where there are many different parts that vary from place to place. Think of any foreign country. It own landscape varies depending of geography of the country. So it stands to reason that sheol would be varied just as the scriptures indicate.
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CeT-To wrote:...No no its alright,im very greatful for the information who have given to me. So when you said "A place of darkness, fire, heat, oppression is described some where else in the bible" were you you talking about the lake of fire or those description i have quoted from you are just more characteristics of Sheol?

CeT-To wrote:ahh hehe i get it now thanx B.W. i can always count on you Although i still find it weird that the rich man is gonna be moved from on eburning place to another probably lake of fire is much more painful ..hmm oh well

Enginseer wrote:It would be nice if there where an after life. However being dead is exactly the same as it was before you where born.

CeT-To wrote:http://www.matthewmcgee.org/helwords.html <<< Hey B.W. if you see this can you check out this site and tell me if the info is correct in your oppinion, it sounds A LOT like what we were talking about months ago. I just want your oppinion if this is correct since we never talked about the Abyss and Tartaroo, yet i know that you have been to Sheol/Hades (torment side) and back ( haha i watched that vid on youtube where you were talking about your experience there! it was soooo scary!). i Hope you see this !

God bless! Keep fighting your illness B.W. stay strong!!! >.< i know God is with you!!!