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Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:06 am
by RickD
abelcainsbrother wrote:RickD wrote:abelcainsbrother wrote:I just finally read through all of this thread and it was a very interesting debate from different perspectives.I wish I could have been apart of this discussion.It was passionate yet still respectful.
ACB,
I'm glad you finally came to your senses, and dropped that silly Gap Theory!
But it would actually destroy and defeat the theory of evolution.Don't ya know? Think about evolution losing finally! And we could actually reach scientific minded people for a much better theory and bible truth.
Darn it!!! Just when I thought you were coming around.....
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:15 am
by RickD
neo-x wrote:It is time to pull out the big guns church and stop playing patty-cake with evolution. Just this right here would do serious damage to evolution even if we did not get into any other evidence for the Gap theory,this alone in front of an audience - creationism vs evolution would make the evolutionist look silly. If life truly evolves like they believe they would be forced to demonstrate it does or lose support.
Hi Acb, just as a thought on what you wrote, could you demonstrate, in front of an audience, the act of creation?
But evolution is supposed to be scientific. In other words evolution should be able to be proven by observation or experimentation. Evolution should be able to be
demonstrated.
As far as I know, creation
Ex nihilo isn't a scientific theory.
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:23 am
by neo-x
Are you saying that creation is not an act? It doesn't matter if its scientific or not in theory, it is an act nonetheless and many Christians think Genesis is not incompatible with science. If creation is then a physical act which gave birth to the laws we know exist than anyone asking for empirical evidence, must also provide their own, lest they be having double stabstands.
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:31 am
by RickD
neo-x wrote:Are you saying that creation is not an act? It doesn't matter if its scientific or not in theory, it is an act nonetheless and many Christians think Genesis is not incompatible with science. If creation is then a physical act which gave birth to the laws we know exist than anyone asking for empirical evidence, must also provide their own, lest they be having double stabstands.
Neo,
You asked ACB if he could demonstrate the act of creation. You are asking him if he could demonstrate creation
ex nihilo in front of an audience. It sounds like you're saying that if he can't recreate the miracle of creation
ex nihilo, then God never did it.
If you're looking for evidence of creation, then that's different. That evidence is everywhere. I don't have to tell you that. But that's far from demonstrating a miraculous act of God in front of an audience.
And btw, what are double stabstands?
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:02 am
by neo-x
sorry that was typing on the phone.
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:39 am
by abelcainsbrother
neo-x wrote:It is time to pull out the big guns church and stop playing patty-cake with evolution. Just this right here would do serious damage to evolution even if we did not get into any other evidence for the Gap theory,this alone in front of an audience - creationism vs evolution would make the evolutionist look silly. If life truly evolves like they believe they would be forced to demonstrate it does or lose support.
Hi Acb, just as a thought on what you wrote, could you demonstrate, in front of an audience, the act of creation?
I would not have to do that to defeat evolution.All I would have to do is provide evidence that shows a former world existed on this earth like the bible reveals and tells us then point out that not one scientist has ever demonstrated or showed us life evolves and point out the evidence used as evidence by scientists only demonstrates what plant and animal breeders were aware of thousands of years before Charles Darwin that life can adapt or that there is variation in reproduction,and explain this is not evidence life evolves,but is common knowledge yet they call this micro evolution.
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:01 am
by EssentialSacrifice
acb wrote:
All I would have to do is provide evidence that shows a former world existed on this earth like the bible reveals and tells us
I've seen this before from you and do not understand... what is the former world that existed before ours and where is it found in the bible ?
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:05 am
by abelcainsbrother
EssentialSacrifice wrote:acb wrote:
All I would have to do is provide evidence that shows a former world existed on this earth like the bible reveals and tells us
I've seen this before from you and do not understand... what is the former world that existed before ours and where is it found in the bible ?
It is found in 2nd Peter 3:3-7,Jeremiah 4:23-28,Genesis 1:2 and Genesis 1:21-28,etc.
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:14 am
by B. W.
EssentialSacrifice wrote:acb wrote:
All I would have to do is provide evidence that shows a former world existed on this earth like the bible reveals and tells us
I've seen this before from you and do not understand... what is the former world that existed before ours and where is it found in the bible ?
It is called the GAP Theory. It was in vogue primarily during the late 1800's and early 1900's dispensationalism. It is one of three main line of thoughts on creation which are:
Young Earth Creation (YEC)
Old Earth Creation (OEC)
GAP Theory
The Gap theory is a blend of OEC mixed with YEC which states there was a pre-Adamic world that was destroyed due to Satan's fall and then as in YEC, God made man around 6 to 7 thousand years ago to be he guardians and caretakers of this earth. The pre-Adamic world explains the OEC.
I am not going into the specifics of each of these or the evidences for GAP or no clear evidence for GAP as others are free to discuss this as they so chose.
Hope this clarifies this for you
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Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:18 am
by EssentialSacrifice
Hope this clarifies this for you
Thanks B.W. it truly does...
I'm going to go do some reading and return...
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:26 am
by abelcainsbrother
B. W. wrote:EssentialSacrifice wrote:acb wrote:
All I would have to do is provide evidence that shows a former world existed on this earth like the bible reveals and tells us
I've seen this before from you and do not understand... what is the former world that existed before ours and where is it found in the bible ?
It is called the GAP Theory. It was in vogue primarily during the late 1800's and early 1900's dispensationalism. It is one of three main line of thoughts on creation which are:
Young Earth Creation (YEC)
Old Earth Creation (OEC)
GAP Theory
The Gap theory is a blend of OEC mixed with YEC which states there was a pre-Adamic world that was destroyed due to Satan's fall and then as in YEC, God made man around 6 to 7 thousand years ago to be he guardians and caretakers of this earth. The pre-Adamic world explains the OEC.
I would like to add that all other creation interpretations teach that all things have gone on continually since Genesis 1:1 but I believe Peter makes it clear that this is not true,and this is where the GAP theory originated because if all things have not gone on continually since Genesis 1:1 then there was a gap of time between the former world and this world we now live in since Genesis 1:3-31.
Also the fossils shows us the kinds of life that lived in the former world that perished,plus we have these ancient mysterious cities and structures that exist all around this earth,some are on land and some are at the bottom of the sea.These are the cities Jeremiah told us about
I am not going into the specifics of each of these or the evidences for GAP or no clear evidence for GAP as others are free to discuss this as they so chose.
Hope this clarifies this for you
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Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:02 am
by abelcainsbrother
EssentialSacrifice wrote:Hope this clarifies this for you
Thanks B.W. it truly does...
I'm going to go do some reading and return...
This is good,at least you don't just reject it out of hand without trying to understand it,because of a more popular creation interpretation. Don't just read what critics say.It is attacked by critics who do not even know about it and they attack it from he wrong approach like bringing up Hebrew.
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:07 am
by 1over137
Abel, I added new option under the crearion position in the user profile. You can now pick Gap Theory there.
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:10 am
by abelcainsbrother
Let me say,that I respect all creation interpretations but IMO the gap theory is true biblically first but is the only one that can defeat evolution if the church taught it, but they won't .
Re: Finally Picked a creation stance.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:18 am
by abelcainsbrother
1over137 wrote:Abel, I added new option under the crearion position in the user profile. You can now pick Gap Theory there.
Thanks,I'll try to change it.