Evidence for God from Science

Earlier a few pages back, I listed a few reasons, I believe it was to ablecainsbrother. It basically boils down to, the bible describes God as being all good, all knowing, all powerful and present everywhere. But when you look at the Bible, there seem to be specific times when God’s actions contradict those descriptions of him. Basically you can’t be all good, yet do bad things. You can’t be all knowing yet act surprised, or change your mind occasionally etc. etc.

Then there is my personal experiences; back in the day when I was a believer, and I tried to have a relationship with God, knowing what I went through to no avail; if God did exist I believe I would have experienced him. I guess the invisible and the non-existent sorta look alike to me; if something is invisible, to me that is evidence that it doesn't exist.

Ken

B. W. wrote:Let's see, bad judgment is a foible of all humanity.

Kenny, have you made bad judgments?

Please don't lie...

You choose everyday and your judgment is faulty. To say otherwise is simply a hubris statement...
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PaulSacramento wrote:

Earlier a few pages back, I listed a few reasons, I believe it was to ablecainsbrother. It basically boils down to, the bible describes God as being all good, all knowing, all powerful and present everywhere. But when you look at the Bible, there seem to be specific times when God’s actions contradict those descriptions of him. Basically you can’t be all good, yet do bad things. You can’t be all knowing yet act surprised, or change your mind occasionally etc. etc.

Then there is my personal experiences; back in the day when I was a believer, and I tried to have a relationship with God, knowing what I went through to no avail; if God did exist I believe I would have experienced him. I guess the invisible and the non-existent sorta look alike to me; if something is invisible, to me that is evidence that it doesn't exist.

Ken

This is a very honest post by Ken.
He basically states that he doesn't believe in God because God isn;t that way HE thinks God should be.
In short, IF there was a God, He would be the way Ken things he should be and since there is no evidence of this kind of God ( the God Ken things there should be) then there is no God.

The logic is sound.

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Earlier a few pages back, I listed a few reasons, I believe it was to ablecainsbrother. It basically boils down to, the bible describes God as being all good, all knowing, all powerful and present everywhere. But when you look at the Bible, there seem to be specific times when God’s actions contradict those descriptions of him. Basically you can’t be all good, yet do bad things. You can’t be all knowing yet act surprised, or change your mind occasionally etc. etc.

Then there is my personal experiences; back in the day when I was a believer, and I tried to have a relationship with God, knowing what I went through to no avail; if God did exist I believe I would have experienced him. I guess the invisible and the non-existent sorta look alike to me; if something is invisible, to me that is evidence that it doesn't exist.

Ken

This is a very honest post by Ken.
He basically states that he doesn't believe in God because God isn;t that way HE thinks God should be.
In short, IF there was a God, He would be the way Ken things he should be and since there is no evidence of this kind of God ( the God Ken things there should be) then there is no God.

The logic is sound.

I didn't know it worked that way.

Using that logic, my wife doesn't exist. My wife should be submissive, she should cater to my every whim, she should never have pms either. She should work 3 jobs, so I can sit at home and do nothing. This imaginary wife is nothing like I think she should be. That's why I don't believe my wife exists.

I used logic to deduce that my wife doesn't exist!

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Earlier a few pages back, I listed a few reasons, I believe it was to ablecainsbrother. It basically boils down to, the bible describes God as being all good, all knowing, all powerful and present everywhere. But when you look at the Bible, there seem to be specific times when God’s actions contradict those descriptions of him. Basically you can’t be all good, yet do bad things. You can’t be all knowing yet act surprised, or change your mind occasionally etc. etc.

Then there is my personal experiences; back in the day when I was a believer, and I tried to have a relationship with God, knowing what I went through to no avail; if God did exist I believe I would have experienced him. I guess the invisible and the non-existent sorta look alike to me; if something is invisible, to me that is evidence that it doesn't exist.

Ken

This is a very honest post by Ken.
He basically states that he doesn't believe in God because God isn;t that way HE thinks God should be.
In short, IF there was a God, He would be the way Ken things he should be and since there is no evidence of this kind of God ( the God Ken things there should be) then there is no God.

The logic is sound.

I didn't know it worked that way.

Using that logic, my wife doesn't exist. My wife should be submissive, she should cater to my every whim, she should never have pms either. She should work 3 jobs, so I can sit at home and do nothing. This imaginary wife is nothing like I think she should be. That's why I don't believe my wife exists.

I used logic to deduce that my wife doesn't exist!

Actually you’ve used my logic wrong. I said the invisible and the non-existent look alike to me. If it’s invisible, that is evidence that it doesn’t exist.

Now if we take that logic a bit further, the opposite is true as well. So the visible and that which exists look the same, thus since I assume you see your wife everyday, that fact that you are able to see her is evidence of her existence.
Does that make sense?

Ken

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Earlier a few pages back, I listed a few reasons, I believe it was to ablecainsbrother. It basically boils down to, the bible describes God as being all good, all knowing, all powerful and present everywhere. But when you look at the Bible, there seem to be specific times when God’s actions contradict those descriptions of him. Basically you can’t be all good, yet do bad things. You can’t be all knowing yet act surprised, or change your mind occasionally etc. etc.

Then there is my personal experiences; back in the day when I was a believer, and I tried to have a relationship with God, knowing what I went through to no avail; if God did exist I believe I would have experienced him. I guess the invisible and the non-existent sorta look alike to me; if something is invisible, to me that is evidence that it doesn't exist.

Ken

This is a very honest post by Ken.
He basically states that he doesn't believe in God because God isn;t that way HE thinks God should be.
In short, IF there was a God, He would be the way Ken things he should be and since there is no evidence of this kind of God ( the God Ken things there should be) then there is no God.

The logic is sound.

I didn't know it worked that way.

Using that logic, my wife doesn't exist. My wife should be submissive, she should cater to my every whim, she should never have pms either. She should work 3 jobs, so I can sit at home and do nothing. This imaginary wife is nothing like I think she should be. That's why I don't believe my wife exists.

I used logic to deduce that my wife doesn't exist!

Actually you’ve used my logic wrong. I said the invisible and the non-existent look alike to me. If it’s invisible, that is evidence that it doesn’t exist.

Now if we take that logic a bit further, the opposite is true as well. So the visible and that which exists look the same, thus since I assume you see your wife everyday, that fact that you are able to see her is evidence of her existence.
Does that make sense?

Ken

RickD wrote: I was referring to what you said about the God of the OT, not being what you think God should be. You said the God of the OT(as you understand Him) isn't described as a God of your imagination, would be.

RickD wrote: Ken,
Do you see your brain everyday? Well then, I guess your brain doesn't exist. Kenny is an Abrainist.

Kenny wrote:

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Earlier a few pages back, I listed a few reasons, I believe it was to ablecainsbrother. It basically boils down to, the bible describes God as being all good, all knowing, all powerful and present everywhere. But when you look at the Bible, there seem to be specific times when God’s actions contradict those descriptions of him. Basically you can’t be all good, yet do bad things. You can’t be all knowing yet act surprised, or change your mind occasionally etc. etc.

Then there is my personal experiences; back in the day when I was a believer, and I tried to have a relationship with God, knowing what I went through to no avail; if God did exist I believe I would have experienced him. I guess the invisible and the non-existent sorta look alike to me; if something is invisible, to me that is evidence that it doesn't exist.

Ken

This is a very honest post by Ken.
He basically states that he doesn't believe in God because God isn;t that way HE thinks God should be.
In short, IF there was a God, He would be the way Ken things he should be and since there is no evidence of this kind of God ( the God Ken things there should be) then there is no God.

The logic is sound.

I didn't know it worked that way.

Using that logic, my wife doesn't exist. My wife should be submissive, she should cater to my every whim, she should never have pms either. She should work 3 jobs, so I can sit at home and do nothing. This imaginary wife is nothing like I think she should be. That's why I don't believe my wife exists.

I used logic to deduce that my wife doesn't exist!

Actually you’ve used my logic wrong. I said the invisible and the non-existent look alike to me. If it’s invisible, that is evidence that it doesn’t exist.

Now if we take that logic a bit further, the opposite is true as well. So the visible and that which exists look the same, thus since I assume you see your wife everyday, that fact that you are able to see her is evidence of her existence.
Does that make sense?

Ken

RickD wrote: I was referring to what you said about the God of the OT, not being what you think God should be. You said the God of the OT(as you understand Him) isn't described as a God of your imagination, would be.

Not quite; I didn’t say anything about my imagination, someone else said that; I said (paraphrasing) judging from his actions (according to the Bible) he is not as he is claimed to be (according to the Bible) thus if the bible is wrong about the description of God, that is evidence (along with other stuff) it is wrong about the existence of the God as well.

RickD wrote: Ken,
Do you see your brain everyday? Well then, I guess your brain doesn't exist. Kenny is an Abrainist.

(LOL)
My brain is not invisible. When I spoke of the invisible, I didn’t literally mean “invisible” I meant unable to detect.


Ken

RickD wrote:
I was referring to what you said about the God of the OT, not being what you think God should be. You said the God of the OT(as you understand Him) isn't described as a God of your imagination, would be.

Kenny wrote:
Not quite; I didn’t say anything about my imagination, someone else said that; I said (paraphrasing) judging from his actions (according to the Bible) he is not as he is claimed to be (according to the Bible) thus if the bible is wrong about the description of God, that is evidence (along with other stuff) it is wrong about the existence of the God as well.

abelcainsbrother wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Kenny wrote:

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:
This is a very honest post by Ken.
He basically states that he doesn't believe in God because God isn;t that way HE thinks God should be.
In short, IF there was a God, He would be the way Ken things he should be and since there is no evidence of this kind of God ( the God Ken things there should be) then there is no God.

The logic is sound.

I didn't know it worked that way.

Using that logic, my wife doesn't exist. My wife should be submissive, she should cater to my every whim, she should never have pms either. She should work 3 jobs, so I can sit at home and do nothing. This imaginary wife is nothing like I think she should be. That's why I don't believe my wife exists.

I used logic to deduce that my wife doesn't exist!

Actually you’ve used my logic wrong. I said the invisible and the non-existent look alike to me. If it’s invisible, that is evidence that it doesn’t exist.

Now if we take that logic a bit further, the opposite is true as well. So the visible and that which exists look the same, thus since I assume you see your wife everyday, that fact that you are able to see her is evidence of her existence.
Does that make sense?

Ken

RickD wrote: I was referring to what you said about the God of the OT, not being what you think God should be. You said the God of the OT(as you understand Him) isn't described as a God of your imagination, would be.

Not quite; I didn’t say anything about my imagination, someone else said that; I said (paraphrasing) judging from his actions (according to the Bible) he is not as he is claimed to be (according to the Bible) thus if the bible is wrong about the description of God, that is evidence (along with other stuff) it is wrong about the existence of the God as well.

RickD wrote: Ken,
Do you see your brain everyday? Well then, I guess your brain doesn't exist. Kenny is an Abrainist.

(LOL)
My brain is not invisible. When I spoke of the invisible, I didn’t literally mean “invisible” I meant unable to detect.


Ken

But everybody who believes in God knows he cannot be detected the way you think he should be. God is detected by faith,no faith? No detection. The bible tells us this.

RickD wrote:

RickD wrote:
I was referring to what you said about the God of the OT, not being what you think God should be. You said the God of the OT(as you understand Him) isn't described as a God of your imagination, would be.

Kenny wrote:
Not quite; I didn’t say anything about my imagination, someone else said that; I said (paraphrasing) judging from his actions (according to the Bible) he is not as he is claimed to be (according to the Bible) thus if the bible is wrong about the description of God, that is evidence (along with other stuff) it is wrong about the existence of the God as well.

That's why faulty logic leads to faulty conclusions. You think wrongly, that God isn't acting the way God would act in the OT, if He were God.

But of course if you were really open to seeing that you could be wrong, and God acted exactly the way He should've acted, you would've taken me up on my offer, to give you a book for free, that helps people see that God is not a moral monster.

Nobody can make you see Kenny. You need to come to the realization that you need to be open to see who God is in reality. Not who he is in your mind.

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Earlier a few pages back, I listed a few reasons, I believe it was to ablecainsbrother. It basically boils down to, the bible describes God as being all good, all knowing, all powerful and present everywhere. But when you look at the Bible, there seem to be specific times when God’s actions contradict those descriptions of him. Basically you can’t be all good, yet do bad things. You can’t be all knowing yet act surprised, or change your mind occasionally etc. etc.

Then there is my personal experiences; back in the day when I was a believer, and I tried to have a relationship with God, knowing what I went through to no avail; if God did exist I believe I would have experienced him. I guess the invisible and the non-existent sorta look alike to me; if something is invisible, to me that is evidence that it doesn't exist.

Ken

This is a very honest post by Ken.
He basically states that he doesn't believe in God because God isn;t that way HE thinks God should be.
In short, IF there was a God, He would be the way Ken things he should be and since there is no evidence of this kind of God ( the God Ken things there should be) then there is no God.

The logic is sound.

I didn't know it worked that way.

Using that logic, my wife doesn't exist. My wife should be submissive, she should cater to my every whim, she should never have pms either. She should work 3 jobs, so I can sit at home and do nothing. This imaginary wife is nothing like I think she should be. That's why I don't believe my wife exists.

I used logic to deduce that my wife doesn't exist!

PaulSacramento wrote:

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Earlier a few pages back, I listed a few reasons, I believe it was to ablecainsbrother. It basically boils down to, the bible describes God as being all good, all knowing, all powerful and present everywhere. But when you look at the Bible, there seem to be specific times when God’s actions contradict those descriptions of him. Basically you can’t be all good, yet do bad things. You can’t be all knowing yet act surprised, or change your mind occasionally etc. etc.

Then there is my personal experiences; back in the day when I was a believer, and I tried to have a relationship with God, knowing what I went through to no avail; if God did exist I believe I would have experienced him. I guess the invisible and the non-existent sorta look alike to me; if something is invisible, to me that is evidence that it doesn't exist.

Ken

This is a very honest post by Ken.
He basically states that he doesn't believe in God because God isn;t that way HE thinks God should be.
In short, IF there was a God, He would be the way Ken things he should be and since there is no evidence of this kind of God ( the God Ken things there should be) then there is no God.

The logic is sound.

I didn't know it worked that way.

Using that logic, my wife doesn't exist. My wife should be submissive, she should cater to my every whim, she should never have pms either. She should work 3 jobs, so I can sit at home and do nothing. This imaginary wife is nothing like I think she should be. That's why I don't believe my wife exists.

I used logic to deduce that my wife doesn't exist!

How many times have I stated that Atheist create the God they can disprove?
Ken's statement is proof of that.