Justhuman wrote:I think you forget that for me, as an atheist, there is no God, so I am not bound to God and cannot reject God. I am 'free' to ponder about alternatives, adapt to what scientific discoveries are made, 'choose whatever suits best possible'. Of course that is also bound to (some strict) rules, but whithin those rules there is at least some freedom of movement. And who knows, at the end of all those discoveries, maybe God awaits there, smiling over such human foolishness.
And miracles are only miracles if they are unexplainable (about how on earth is that possible!). If God is behind those miracles than it is 'just' God doing His kind of unmiraculous omnipotent thing (at a moment and a place He chooses fit to do so). I know a few people who would have wished A miracle didn't end their live or the live of their loved one. So, please don't introduce that kind of God-thing in this irrationality discussion.
abelcainsbrother wrote:No I understand that you don't believe in God and you have the freedom to choose not to believe in God.But I was just pointing out to you how atheists tend to imagine up things that go outside our known world/universe when they reject God. It is like they wait patiently for an answer that will solve everything,yet it never comes.
I think we atheists (can't speak for all atheists) do not imagine things up, but try to explain the unknown by our current knowledge. And yes, I too think that patience will bring all the answers, providing we as the human race survive ourselves.
You claim it is hard to accept miracles but yet are forced by your atheism to accept things that require alot more faith to believe than to just accept the fact that God can do miracles.I know that you'll claim that you don't necessarily know how this vast universe got here but you are focred to accept that nothing caused it,which requires far,far more faith to believe. It ius not hard at all to believe God can do miracles if he chooses to because we read about them althroughout the bible.
Let me try once again a syllogistic reasoning:
Something cannot come from nothing,
Something does exist,
So nothing did not exist.
Thus, If nothing did not exist, yet something is here, then that something must have been always there.
Meaning that all the current matter in our universe was already there before the BB. The Big Question is then how did all that matter get 'from before' 'to now'.
But you seem to have a problem with miracles God can do because people don't always get a miracle. However God is honest with us about death and we know why we have death and sorrow in this world.Read Romans 8:22-23 for an example. It is not like we don't know why we have death and suffering in our world but what you are overlooking is that death is just the beginning of our lives when we die. So how long do you think you will live? 70-80 years? So how can you compare 70-80 years of pain and sorrow to eternity? All suffering is but a blip of time and God will one day set things right and it will be worth anything we suffered through in this life. But with atheism all you have is death to look forwad to. There is no hope in it and no reason to accept a world view that you have no evidence is true and yet willingly choose to reject God based on it when all it ultimately leads to is death.
But at the same time you are still forced to accept miracles that God can do easily to believe that nothing can create and cause universes and without any proof or evidence.No offense,but it is a dumb decision on your part to reject God because you have no evidence or proof atheism is true,noway to know you've made the correct choice while you overlook massive amounts of evidence Christianity is true,and yet even if we did'nt have evidence Christianity is true. We have nothing to suffer if we were somehow wrong about believing in Jesus.
I do NOT look forward to death!
I get the inpression that I as an atheist am deprived of many things that 'only a theist can have'. That I (as a Materialist) cannot have a free will, hope and life are ultimately meaningsless for me, every as yet unexaplainable thing can only be explainained by the existence of God...
I mean salvation is free because of what Jesus did for us and yet nothing would happen to me if I was somehow wrong,but yet you will be in trouble if you are wrong,so just based on odds of winning alone I have made the smarter decision because I do not suffer if I'm wrong like you will. And yet like I said you are basing your life on a shot in the dark having no evidence at all atheism is true and correct. So that it is not a wise decision at all to be an atheist. But yes,you are still free to choose for yourself and suffer the consequences of being wrong,unlike me. Just know that any suffering you do will not just be for 70-80 years,but eternity, so choose wisely.
Want it dead or alive.
https://youtu.be/WEJERLtMQaU
As long as I live a life that holds true to the christian values, I do not have to acknowledge God in order to get His respect. So in that case I should be failry safe.
On the other hand, if I'm right, then all that awaits you is only this moment you're living in until... nothing.
As for me I don't mind that nothing, because once it's there, I will not remember it. I think that makes life for me maybe more precious than it is for a theist.
