Evidence for God from Science

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:49 am

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:47 am

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:43 am ok we will go with your way of thinking because apparently you do not like how I explain them... so they both apply to Jesus... and be careful not to shoot yourself in the foot thou because you are about to... just fair warning...lol....

Ok. As I was posting my last post, you posted this.

So, now that we've established that the only begotten, and the Word, both refer to Jesus Christ, do you now see John 1:1 in a different light?

nope... lol was with and was are 2 different things John 1:2 and John 17:5....

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:58 am exactly I haven't disputed that Fact lol in fact I explained that fact plainly in the post we are now discussing from today...
My dispute is that Jesus was the God of Genesis...lol

Because God is immortal and cannot die and according to the Trinity, Jesus was God and died on the cross and God resurrected him...

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:10 pm

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:58 am exactly I haven't disputed that Fact lol in fact I explained that fact plainly in the post we are now discussing from today...
My dispute is that Jesus was the God of Genesis...lol

Because God is immortal and cannot die and according to the Trinity, Jesus was God and died on the cross and God resurrected him...

Ok good. I think we're having a productive conversation.


So if I understand you correctly, you agree with #3) from above " The Word(Jesus Christ)was God." But you don't think that Jesus was the God of Genesis.

Am I understanding you correctly?

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:10 pm

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:58 am exactly I haven't disputed that Fact lol in fact I explained that fact plainly in the post we are now discussing from today...
My dispute is that Jesus was the God of Genesis...lol

Because God is immortal and cannot die and according to the Trinity, Jesus was God and died on the cross and God resurrected him...

Ok good. I think we're having a productive conversation.


So if I understand you correctly, you agree with #3) from above " The Word(Jesus Christ)was God." But you don't think that Jesus was the God of Genesis.

Am I understanding you correctly?

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:13 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:10 pm

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:58 am exactly I haven't disputed that Fact lol in fact I explained that fact plainly in the post we are now discussing from today...
My dispute is that Jesus was the God of Genesis...lol

Because God is immortal and cannot die and according to the Trinity, Jesus was God and died on the cross and God resurrected him...

Ok good. I think we're having a productive conversation.


So if I understand you correctly, you agree with #3) from above " The Word(Jesus Christ)was God." But you don't think that Jesus was the God of Genesis.

Am I understanding you correctly?

not at all lol....you are stating that....not me... I would never place a claim like that if there was no evidence of it at all....lol.. nice try though...

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:30 pm in the context that the Word was with God I completely Agree.. but then there is that pesky John1:2 AND he was with God... and means an addition as in along side or in the same place... If it meant that the Word was Jesus then verse 2 would not be needed because it would have been established already but it wasn't and John didn't believe Jesus was God this is why he made this statement of addition... and means to add to something.

If John thought Jesus was God then John would have believed God could die...

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:42 pm nope and we are still on the same topic.. I am examining all evidence of the origin of the word and you are just cherry picking to validate your beliefs, at least that is the way it is coming across to me...
and the conclusion would be that if Jesus was the God of the Genesis then there is no way he could have died on the cross... Based on the conversation at hand... so if you can prove that God can die and not need someone else to resurrect him, please offer it.... all the same topic and pertaining to John 1:1-3
just saying...

RickD wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:59 pm

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:42 pm nope and we are still on the same topic.. I am examining all evidence of the origin of the word and you are just cherry picking to validate your beliefs, at least that is the way it is coming across to me...
and the conclusion would be that if Jesus was the God of the Genesis then there is no way he could have died on the cross... Based on the conversation at hand... so if you can prove that God can die and not need someone else to resurrect him, please offer it.... all the same topic and pertaining to John 1:1-3
just saying...

Cherry picking to validate my beliefs?

We literally started with John 1:1. And we worked through the verse to see what it actually says. And you disagree with what it actually says, "the Word was God."

I can't have a conversation with you, if you go off on rabbit trails, and refuse to stay focused. And now, you disagree with scripture.

I don't have time for this anymore today. I thought we were actually getting somewhere. But when the truth hit you, you just brushed it aside, and pretended like you never read it.

You are extremely dishonest. You really need to think about why you are here. You refuse to see what is plainly in front of you.