Evidence for God from Science

Jbuza wrote:

bizzt wrote:

jbuza wrote:
I don't agree there is any evdience to suggest the earth is 13.7 billion years old. Such as?

The Speed of Light for one... How far our Distant Stars are away from us. There is no reason for us to not believe something as basic as that.

Determinging the distance to distant stars is not at all basic. God said that he streatched the heavens out, there is no reason not to beleive something as basic as that. In fact NASA is conducting research into the possiblities of contracting and expanding the fabric of space itself.

I will agree that there is no reason not to believe the stars are distant, but don't ask me to explain an evolutionary supposition that the world is 13.7 billion years old. That is not an observation.

Why would it not be an Observation?? If we know the speed of Light. And we know the Distance of the Stars Then we know how many Light Years it would take to get to those Stars. To me that is Mathematics. Not Basic Mind you but for one that knows Mathematics it is fairly simple to calculate

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Jbuza wrote:

bizzt wrote:

Jbuza wrote:

bizzt wrote:

jbuza wrote:
I don't agree there is any evdience to suggest the earth is 13.7 billion years old. Such as?

The Speed of Light for one... How far our Distant Stars are away from us. There is no reason for us to not believe something as basic as that.

Determinging the distance to distant stars is not at all basic. God said that he streatched the heavens out, there is no reason not to beleive something as basic as that. In fact NASA is conducting research into the possiblities of contracting and expanding the fabric of space itself.

I will agree that there is no reason not to believe the stars are distant, but don't ask me to explain an evolutionary supposition that the world is 13.7 billion years old. That is not an observation.

Why would it not be an Observation?? If we know the speed of Light. And we know the Distance of the Stars Then we know how many Light Years it would take to get to those Stars. To me that is Mathematics. Not Basic Mind you but for one that knows Mathematics it is fairly simple to calculate

I agree with this. However will add that we don't know the exact ditance to the stars, bu they are probably pretty good estimates. How than are you able to determine the age of the universe by this?

Here is a Link to the Nasty Math
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/newsletters/lpi ... ack77.html
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsde ... 3/31/text/

For interest sake, JBuza, how old are you saying the earth is? I think I get that you are saying that time is relative for God, but what about in human terms, where we perceive time as a constant?

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Jbuza wrote:

August wrote:For interest sake, JBuza, how old are you saying the earth is? I think I get that you are saying that time is relative for God, but what about in human terms, where we perceive time as a constant?

I don't know. I think it is very young. Less than 10,000 years

Is there any positive proof that you can put forward for that? Moondust, polonium rings, earths magnetic field decay etc? And why do you feel you have to believe that the earth is that young?

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I have studied the Bible for over 40 years and have never seen the Bible give the earths age. I know the YEC people will quote Genesis 5. But arent several names missing? Also, I was told that the word "Son" can mean "descendent".

Jbuza...take it from an ex-YEC...you're gonna lose. Take it from an ex-YEC who argued on this forum....you're screwed.

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Jbuza wrote:

waynes world wrote:I have studied the Bible for over 40 years and have never seen the Bible give the earths age. I know the YEC people will quote Genesis 5. But arent several names missing? Also, I was told that the word "Son" can mean "descendent".

Did you look on page 416, mine has a brith certificate there.

There isn't an indication that the earth is billions of years old either. Population studies strongly suggest the prescense of man to be less than 10,000 years.

Explain how the population studies worked? Did they take into account disease, famine and pestilence or is it a linear chart. Something like uniformitarianim you always seem to dislike?

The magnetic field is decreasing. Really at a steady rate? Isn't this unifomitarianism? I suppose uniformitarianism is only called that when it goes against your beleifs.

The stars are measured at very far away. The fact we can see them at all suggests that the Universe is far older than 10,000 years. Otherwise the light from those stars would have not reached us yet.

Nebulas and young stars found within seem to be representative young stars. You either have to dismiss this or face the posibility that these young stars mature at fantastic rates. If this is the case then modern physics is not slightly off but completely wrong.

Watch out the hydrogen created in seaweed could suddenly fuse and create nuclear reactions throughout the pacific!

Haleys Comet every 80 some odd years? Who knows it might just decide to change its orbit.

And if you choose the dismissal route, you need to have a reason to convince others. However for yourself it would be quite simple because old stars simply don't make sence in your world view.

Jbuza wrote:

waynes world wrote:I have studied the Bible for over 40 years and have never seen the Bible give the earths age. I know the YEC people will quote Genesis 5. But arent several names missing? Also, I was told that the word "Son" can mean "descendent".

Did you look on page 416, mine has a brith certificate there.

There isn't an indication that the earth is billions of years old either. Population studies strongly suggest the prescense of man to be less than 10,000 years.

Where in the Bible do we find the earth to be 10,000 years old? 2 Peter 3:5 says the world is old. So does Psalms 68:33

waynes world wrote:I have studied the Bible for over 40 years and have never seen the Bible give the earths age. I know the YEC people will quote Genesis 5. But arent several names missing? Also, I was told that the word "Son" can mean "descendent".

Up to the flood there are no names missing. You can actually date the flood to the exact number of years it occurred after the fall.