Evidence for God from Science

hfd wrote:"Are you a Christian? Do you accept the inspiration of all parts of scripture, including the Pauline letters?"

A strange question coming from one who seemingly picks and chooses what to support. For example, you've not answered my question bout Jesus in the tomb. Was he there for three literal days?

hfd wrote:"Are you a Christian? Do you accept the inspiration of all parts of scripture, including the Pauline letters?"

A strange question coming from one who seemingly picks and chooses what to support. For example, you've not answered my question bout Jesus in the tomb. Was he there for three literal days?

zoegirl wrote:

hfd wrote:"Are you a Christian? Do you accept the inspiration of all parts of scripture, including the Pauline letters?"

A strange question coming from one who seemingly picks and chooses what to support. For example, you've not answered my question bout Jesus in the tomb. Was he there for three literal days?

No, that is your opinion...I accept it all...
Yes, I believe that that Christ was in for three days, now will you answer my questions?

Why all the smoke and mirrors and diversions??! this is a simple question....I would like to know where you are coming from. You seem to reject or at least criticize Pauline thology (indeed, even Canuckster brought this up and you have yet to answer him http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... php?t=2060 ) and yet you accuse me of picking and choosing. Please answer the questions. I am wanting to know your beliefs. It is taking a ridiculous amount of time to establish these!!!

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hfd wrote:"Are you a Christian? Do you accept the inspiration of all parts of scripture, including the Pauline letters?"

A strange question coming from one who seemingly picks and chooses what to support. For example, you've not answered my question bout Jesus in the tomb. Was he there for three literal days?

Do you know ancient Hebrew cultural? What do you do when the Sabbath falls on the same day as Passover? Point is Passover and Sabbath dates fall on different days of the year according to our calendar system. For example, you have Passover say falling on Wednesday and the Sabbath on Saturday one year — which is I think happened 33 or 35 AD. Another year Passover would be for example fall on a Friday and the Sabbath falls on Sunday. Each day draws closer to each other till each eventually falls on the same day about every seventh year.



Ancient Hebrew Custom — No work on Passover which begins at sundown. - Day after Passover the women went to purchase the items for proper burial which took all day. Three — Sabbath day begins at sundown — no work allowed that day. Technically yes, three full 24 days in the tomb according to the custom and calendar used back then. Early on the third day would begin at sundown on third day all night and morning…

You go figure the rest…

Problem is human tradition's imposing on actual calendar dates and custom's of that time and era to make it 1.5 days instead of the actual three days and night just as Jesus said in Matthew 12:40, “For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” KJV

Who do you want to believe? What Jesus says or human tradition enslaved to ritual habit concerning the Sabbath at the expense of Passover and its effect on the Sabbath?
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1. You are making an assumtion as to when the supposed crucifixion took place.

2. You are making an assumption about the Sabbaths of those assumed years.

The traditional story kills Jesus at noon Friday. He is in the tomb until early on the first day of the week, Sunday. That could have been anytime after sundown Saturday. Hard to spin that story if, in fact, Jesus was in the tomb 3 days and three nights.

Easter Sunrise services are celebrated to mark the ressurection. That activity is in fact a pagan memorial. Why celebrate the rising of the sun? And make no mistake about it, that s the thrust of the service.

Xmas and Easter, as well as minor holidays such as Halloween are all pagan rituals having nothing to do with Biblical directives. I have no problem with anyone celebrating those. But to do it and try to claim it's all part of the great plan of Christianity is laughable. It's not possible to intergrate them into Christianity.

Yes, I recognize that this is not a popular view. Not my problem, my comments are factual.

Please explain to me what part of my assertions about paganism and Christianity are not factual.

Xmas and Easter, as well as minor holidays such as Halloween are all pagan rituals having nothing to do with Biblical directives. I have no problem with anyone celebrating those. But to do it and try to claim it's all part of the great plan of Christianity is laughable. It's not possible to intergrate them into Christianity.

Am I to understand that unpopular views are causes for banning.

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BTW, your time discussion is an old attempt to explain the three day and night problem. And yes I'm aware of the conjunctions of weekly and ceremonial Sabbaths. Further, I stand by my contention that to accept a literal ressurectin and yet to reject a literal Creation as described in Genesis is totally without logic.

hfd wrote:With all due respect, my assertions about Christmas and Easter and how they relate to Christianity are not assumptions. We are adminished not to follow the ways of the 'heathen'. The celebration of those two holidays as Christian are certainly against that admonishment.Jeremiah is quite explicit. Jeremiah is quite explicit of these things.

One needs to consider that Jesus relied on the Torah and the prophets in his teachings, not Paul. To completely clarify my position.

1. I am a Creationist because of evidence
2. I am ambiguous in my beliefs about Jesus.
3. I cannot in good conscience see a compatibility with the teachings of Jesus and those of Paul.
4. I do not accept, based on history and facts, various rituals within the 'Christian' churches.
5. I reject the idea, again based on historical fact, that Jesus is unique in religious philosopy and only Jesus is 'The Way.

I don't say these things to offend, but to clarify. In dealing with Judaism and Christianity I would refer to the Biblical narrative and not an astronomer from Canada. I belong to no denomination nor do I support any religious orgainization.

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But I see so many distortions... I just want to enlighten others with my knowledge!
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But, it does not seem fair...
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It is not my intent to 'tear down' others. However, it is difficult as a rational thinking person to view the absurd notion that an astronomer from Canada holds the keys to Biblical meaning. Yet, so-called Christians on theis board do exactly that.

Among other things, Ross suggests that The Flood was local, not universal. That's fine. But to claim to be Christian when rejecting the Biblical narrative is simply not logical. The Bible is quite clear in it's presentation of the Deluge as it is in the Creation narrative. Perhaps I misunderstand the purpose of these foums. I was under the impression that open dialogue, with supporting likage, was the focus.

hfd wrote:Are you a Christian? Do you accept the inspiration of all parts of scripture, including the Pauline letters?"

A strange question coming from one who seemingly picks and chooses what to support. For example, you've not answered my question bout Jesus in the tomb. Was he there for three literal days?

hfd wrote:"1. You are making an assumption as to when the supposed crucifixion took place.

2. You are making an assumption about the Sabbaths of those assumed years.

The traditional story kills Jesus at noon Friday. He is in the tomb until early on the first day of the week, Sunday. That could have been anytime after sundown Saturday. Hard to spin that story if, in fact, Jesus was in the tomb 3 days and three nights.

Speaking of traditions of men.

3. Easter Sunrise services are celebrated to mark the resurrection. That activity is in fact a pagan memorial. Why celebrate the rising of the sun? And make no mistake about it, that s the thrust of the service.

Xmas and Easter, as well as minor holidays such as Halloween are all pagan rituals having nothing to do with Biblical directives. I have no problem with anyone celebrating those. But to do it and try to claim it's all part of the great plan of Christianity is laughable. It's not possible to integrate them into Christianity.

Yes, I recognize that this is not a popular view. Not my problem, my comments are factual.