Evidence for God from Science

FFC wrote:

Turgonian wrote:But because of the 'sin nature', we commit sins. God judges us not on the basis of our 'sin nature', but our actual sins.

However, let's get back to topic.

I think we still are on topic, what with the sin and hell talk.

As far as sins we commit sending us to hell and not our sin nature, I disagree. When God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil, because in the day that they did they would die, He was talking about spiritual death. The sins that we commit are just the manifestation of that condition, not the cause of our separation from God. No spiritually dead person can ever enter the kingdom of God.

The bible paints a symbolic picture of spiritual death as banishment from God, or separation from God, in Genesis 3:22-24.

The only way back to God is by an act of God Genesis 3:21 by which act leads to the tree of life Genesis 3:24, 1 Peter 2:24, and Revelation 2:7, Revelation 22:12-14, John 6:47-58 .

Such biblical symbolism conveys truth profound.

Sin, the physical and moral transgression of God's Laws, makes life ugly and robs us from finding our true God given purpose for our lives. Jesus came to give life and life abundant! Only way back to God is by an act of God. Great is the mystery
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FFC wrote:As far as sins we commit sending us to hell and not our sin nature, I disagree. When God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil, because in the day that they did they would die, He was talking about spiritual death. The sins that we commit are just the manifestation of that condition, not the cause of our separation from God. No spiritually dead person can ever enter the kingdom of God.

Quite true. But one cannot be spiritually dead and NOT commit sins all his life. And God is shown to execute judgement when the sins of a particular people have grown too many, not when they're at their deadest spiritually.

Turgonian wrote:

FFC wrote:As far as sins we commit sending us to hell and not our sin nature, I disagree. When God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil, because in the day that they did they would die, He was talking about spiritual death. The sins that we commit are just the manifestation of that condition, not the cause of our separation from God. No spiritually dead person can ever enter the kingdom of God.

Quite true. But one cannot be spiritually dead and NOT commit sins all his life. And God is shown to execute judgement when the sins of a particular people have grown too many, not when they're at their deadest spiritually.

I agree.

http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documents/ ... l_Text.htm

Has anyone read this or hear the guy speak? What are your thoughts?

August wrote:http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documents/ ... l_Text.htm

Has anyone read this or hear the guy speak? What are your thoughts?

Judging by the picture it looks like he is still down there. I can tell by the bar stools.