fdesilva wrote:I think a complex system of molecules can explain fully the life of a plant or bacteria. However it cannot fully explain consciousness as experienced by humans. Maybe dogs and other life forms have a consciousness similar to ours, if so then that also would have to be a result of something supernatural. What I am saying is the conscious experience can never be made from putting together molecules. So if you were to make a carbon copy of a person, unless God also intervenes every time you do that and infuse a soul, that body will not get consciousness. It will be like an unconscious person.
But then what is the conscience - and why is it still controlled by neurones and all that? It all makes sense - that putting a bunch of non-living stuff together even in an infinitely complex way should by no way give rise to something living - not only living like a bacterium but conscious! That is the miracle of [higher] life.
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The thing is, we feel consciosness or conscience as us, what we see (perceive rather) but then also our point. We get a stimulus, e.g. a dog outside but then we make judgments and associate feelings. Good, bad? Pretty, ugly? We have that judgment and feeling/emotion. Without conscience these would be impossible. We would be able to say in a robotic way "big, small, ugly, fat" but would not "feel the meaning of words". Now that's another thing that consciousness/conscience means for me.
The thing with the C copy is interesting though... hm so that's how it is called after all
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yeah but - if it were
exactly the same it means it would also have the same memories and all as all would be coded in some metaphysical way. BUT! this is the trick - would it be a free, independent entity from myself if it were my copy? And what would he feel like? me? or some other person? I know this all sounds crazy but again this brings me to the question "why am i who i am"? why am i not someone who lived 1000 yrs ago and was born somewhere else? Then it should mean that someone/something (what we call God) gives rise to the new "us" and who we are. We have no choice, but could I be someone else if God wanted me to? And would I behave like that person? probably, if i had his genetic information and that. But that's off-topic...
Gman wrote:Good point fdesilva.... I've often thought that the soul, spirit or consciousness of the person is simply energy (or charged particles). In fact, I believe that our brains produce so much electricity that it can actually light a light bulb. So when we die that energy is simply released back out to space again. In fact, energy is all around us... You really can't put it under a microscope to examine it, but we know it is there.
Hm maybe not so weird Gman!
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energy - which then is the spiritual world? Maybe. But is the metaphysical energy the same as the spiritual one? Only God knows all this...
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