God and Science don't mix, so don't try.

[zoegirl]

Exactly!! Gman

MOst textbooks wax poetic about th structure of water being the key part of the ability of orgamisms to survive.

The point to its polarity, its angle, its density at freezing, its high heat of vaporization, and it high specific heat. And they point to the structure of the water taht leads to its ability to do all of these things.

[hopefulcynic]

Or perhaps did the existing properties of the water molecule minus heat produce the snowflake?

Of course. We know that the properties of water and specific atmospheric conditions are what give rise to the properties of an individual snowflake. But now imagine that you had no knowledge of these facts, and you were looking at a snowflake for the first time. Would you conclude that it was designed, or the result of natural processes?

My point is that it is not always trivial to determine what is designed and what is not. Merely observing an object's structure is often insufficient. More evidence is needed.

[zoegirl]

Okay, point taken, but sometimes it is easy

[Gman]

Of course. We know that the properties of water and specific atmospheric conditions are what give rise to the properties of an individual snowflake. But now imagine that you had no knowledge of these facts, and you were looking at a snowflake for the first time. Would you conclude that it was designed, or the result of natural processes?

I would conclude it was designed by a creator...

My point is that it is not always trivial to determine what is designed and what is not. Merely observing an object's structure is often insufficient. More evidence is needed.

And it appears the more evidence we dig up the more we find that chance cannot create anything let alone a casino.. No pun intended.