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Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:14 am
by August
Sceptic wrote:
August wrote:Sure. But there are branches off the RLN into the heart etc, like I quoted from Grays, that apparently has some functionality in that branch...or else why would it branch off from there? You have to show that that all functionality will be retained with your scenario. Even the loss of a single function will negate your argument.
OK, so branch those off at the appropriate level, like I said. The Vagus nerve travels right past the heart.
So then it is necessary for those branches to branch off there, because it seems to hold some function?

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:17 am
by Sceptic
August wrote:You are kidding, right?

Ok, answer me this, do you believe that that constitutes proof for the statement "You can't prove a negative"?
You are arguing semantics. If you think that it's possible to prove a negative, then go ahead: prove there's no Father Christmas.

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:19 am
by Sceptic
August wrote:So then it is necessary for those branches to branch off there, because it seems to hold some function?
No, they can branch straight off the Vagus. That is the point. You actually don't know anything about nerves, do you?

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:19 am
by August
Sceptic wrote:
August wrote:You are kidding, right?

Ok, answer me this, do you believe that that constitutes proof for the statement "You can't prove a negative"?
You are arguing semantics. If you think that it's possible to prove a negative, then go ahead: prove there's no Father Christmas.
Semantics? I've been asking you for a formal proof for a few posts now, and you cannot come up with it. You made that statement, now prove it.

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:23 am
by Sceptic
August wrote:
Semantics? I've been asking you for a formal proof for a few posts now, and you cannot come up with it. You made that statement, now prove it.
I have shown you it is a logical fallacy. If you can't understand what a fallacy is, that's not my problem.

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:24 am
by August
Sceptic wrote:
August wrote:So then it is necessary for those branches to branch off there, because it seems to hold some function?
No, they can branch straight off the Vagus. That is the point. You actually don't know anything about nerves, do you?
Going to start with the insults now? You don't know anything about me, so if you want to do that, then go ahead.

I get what you are saying, you just have not shown that it is necessarily better.

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:27 am
by August
Sceptic wrote:
August wrote:
Semantics? I've been asking you for a formal proof for a few posts now, and you cannot come up with it. You made that statement, now prove it.
I have shown you it is a logical fallacy. If you can't understand what a fallacy is, that's not my problem.
Sigh.

If you cannot prove it, then say so. What you showed had nothing to do with your statement, it was a muddled combination of the law of identity and the law of the excluded middle.

But you don't seem to able or willing to answer a straight question. Do you believe you have proven that "You can't prove a negative."

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:28 am
by Sceptic
August wrote:Going to start with the insults now? You don't know anything about me, so if you want to do that, then go ahead.

I get what you are saying, you just have not shown that it is necessarily better.
What insult? It was a question.

It would be far better, because the RLN fibres would be shorter, and less vulnerable to chest and neck trauma.

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:33 am
by Sceptic
August wrote:
Sigh.

If you cannot prove it, then say so. What you showed had nothing to do with your statement, it was a muddled combination of the law of identity and the law of the excluded middle.

But you don't seem to able or willing to answer a straight question. Do you believe you have proven that "You can't prove a negative."
Double sigh.

If you can prove a negative, then kindly prove the statement "you can't prove a negative", wrong. :pound:

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:36 am
by August
Sceptic wrote:
August wrote:
Sigh.

If you cannot prove it, then say so. What you showed had nothing to do with your statement, it was a muddled combination of the law of identity and the law of the excluded middle.

But you don't seem to able or willing to answer a straight question. Do you believe you have proven that "You can't prove a negative."
Double sigh.

If you can prove a negative, then kindly prove the statement "you can't prove a negative", wrong. :pound:
You made that statement, now prove it. Nice try, but you are not going to shift the burden of proof to me here.

As soon as you provide positive proof for your statement, I will be happy to oblige.

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:40 am
by Sceptic
August wrote:You made that statement, now prove it. Nice try, but you are not going to shift the burden of proof to me here.

As soon as you provide positive proof for your statement, I will be happy to oblige.
Why are we wasting time re-inventing the wheel? The burden of proof is obviously on you. because you are proposing a well-established logical fallacy - the argument from ignorance.

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:46 am
by August
Sceptic wrote:
August wrote:You made that statement, now prove it. Nice try, but you are not going to shift the burden of proof to me here.

As soon as you provide positive proof for your statement, I will be happy to oblige.
Why are we wasting time re-inventing the wheel? The burden of proof is obviously on you. because you are proposing a well-established logical fallacy - the argument from ignorance.
This has nothing to do with the argument from ignorance. You just can't prove what you asserting.

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:52 am
by Sceptic
August wrote:This has nothing to do with the argument from ignorance. You just can't prove what you asserting.
OK, prove that it isn't the argument from ignorance. I say that it is, prove me wrong.

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:02 pm
by August
Sceptic wrote:
August wrote:This has nothing to do with the argument from ignorance. You just can't prove what you asserting.
OK, prove that it isn't the argument from ignorance. I say that it is, prove me wrong.
So are you saying that you have proven: "You can't prove a negative"

Re: Assymetrical to symmetrical complexity

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:06 pm
by Sceptic
August wrote:So are you saying that you have proven: "You can't prove a negative"
I am saying that is is the argument from ignorance, a well-known logical fallacy.

You seem to want to change the subject from the rather inconvenient RLN. I can't say I blame you!