OK, let's continue...
Murray wrote:I've read into YEC, but you do not see me believing that. I still read into OEC but I do not believe that, I've read into gap creationism yet I do not believe that.....
And when did I discuss the manner of souls, thoughts ect...
I'm pretty sold on that being supernatural in a sense, but I fail to see logic of any level of "God used what existed(dust of the ground), to form the physical part of man".
Why not? Why do you find it unusual that God would use the same elements present in the ground to create man? Even science shows that human body physically doesn't consist of anything that can't be found in the Earth.
Murray wrote:Certain things cannot be explained, such as the existence of life, by scientific means; but our creation shows evidence of a scientific explanation (evolution).
Science does not explain the resurrection of Jesus, but does that mean we should ignore science? Some thing can be explained unlike the resurrection, and our creation is certainly one that may be compatible with scientific explanation.
Scientific explanation? I'd most of all be interested to see the
true explanation. We don't know how God created as we weren't around to observe, and that's exactly what science is all about - observation and experimentation, and evolution
has not been observed. Only conclusions were drawn from the fossil record, which contains many inconsistencies that stand in the way of the evolutionary explanation. Making up just-so stories about fish walking out of water, is not science.
Murray wrote:@reactionary,
I'm not about to type a term paper on evolution, I do not care about it that much. I've explained where I see issues in OEC, and evolution in all honestly has plenty of scientific backing. Perhaps if it said in Genesis to interpret everything literally I would not have this issue.
If I interpreted the Genesis literally, then obviously I'd be a YEC.
Murray wrote:And where do you see fault in evolution? You let your faith block your view of science instead of integrating the two. Try reading it from a neutral perspective.
Just because I want to believe something reactionary does not mean I will convince myself that it is true or untrue.
So, you're suggesting that I'm deliberately deluding myself? Thanks.
It's hard to find a neutral perspective, because humans are biased beings by nature, but I've seen much more intellectual honesty from the ID and OEC proponents. Most evolutionary articles contain ifs, maybes, and unfalsifiable stories. That's, among other issues, where I see the fault in evolution - no concrete evidence, biased research, arrogance, etc. I'm a concrete person who demands concrete evidence to become convinced in something. Catchphrases like "creationists don't believe in science" make no appeal to me, I'm convinced by arguments, not by common beliefs, or
ad hominems thrown to discredit the proponents of the opposite view.
Murray, since you started to play a psychologist with me, let me tell you my opinion. You adhere to evolution because you don't have the courage to stand up and say "No, I don't believe in evolution as I don't see the evidence." You don't want to depart from the common beliefs, forgetting that those change over time, and that a true free-thinker examines the evidence and holds to what seems most reasonable. You seem to talk constantly about "science" and how evolution is "scientific", but you don't seem to understand it at all - you said that macroevolution was a stepping stone away from "microevolution", showing that you fell for the "bait and switch", as briefly explained in this (YEC) article I posted. So, I conclude that your belief in evolution is a result of appeal to common belief.