Gman on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:30 am
neo-x wrote:
Ofcourse Gman, that is a given. But then we have to define Israel. what is it? the Jews living in the area, the government? the ones who follow the law, who exactly are we talking about here? I am all up for supporting it, but what do you mean when you say Israel?
Jews are God's chosen people, I agree but then so is everyone who comes to Christ, we are all the same.
Yes.. All of it. Not to say that everything Israel does is always of God, but Israel is a people, with a covenant land, and with a government (even though it is secular). But yes, they do make mistakes just like any other government on this planet. But as I've stated before, the Israeli government far exceeds other governments I've seen in democracy. Not perfect, but not corrupt either. Has it been established by God? I think it has.. And one day it will turn into a true theocracy.
OK...about the govt. though, you are saying two things.
1. What Israel does is always of God.
2. It is secular, makes mistakes, not perfect just any other government on this planet (but no other govt. is of God either,, right?)
I see contradictions in the above two points.
ok.. And yes we know from scripture that God is not respecter of persons Ephesians 6:9.... However, God is also a God of roles... He has given the Jews "special" roles and a place in the world based on the covenants which are irrevocable. Please see Romans 11:28-29. But mind you it comes with a blessing and a curse.. Some of these blessings are the following..
1. Preservation - God has promised to preserve Israel nationally to the end of time (Genesis 17:7-8).
2. Oracles of God - God has committed his word to the Jew (Romans 3:1-2).
3. Believing Remnant During Church Age - Another blessing God has promised to Israel is that there would always be a believing remnant in every age (Rom. 11:5).
4. Of Whom, As Concerning the Flesh, Christ Came. The crowning glory of Israel is that when God became a man, He became a Jew.
5. The Reciprocal Blessing - When God called Abraham, He told him, "I will ble-ss them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee" (Gen. 12:3).
6. Promise of Restoration to the Land - One of the great national promises to Israel is that the Jewish people would be returned to their original land. This promise is repeated over and over again throughout the Scriptures (Amos 9:15).
Agreed to the fullest.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
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