Evidence for God from Science

DannyM wrote:
No, but you still support Israel, no matter what you think of a certain action or policy. You don't somehow start siding with those whose ultimate agenda is to oppose Israel at every turn, just because of a misdirected action or unpalatable policy. Do you see what I mean, Bro?

DannyM wrote:

Gman wrote:Here are some great teachings on the subject..

http://www.c4israel.org/c4i/teachings/articles

Cheers G

Gman on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:30 am

neo-x wrote:
Ofcourse Gman, that is a given. But then we have to define Israel. what is it? the Jews living in the area, the government? the ones who follow the law, who exactly are we talking about here? I am all up for supporting it, but what do you mean when you say Israel?

Jews are God's chosen people, I agree but then so is everyone who comes to Christ, we are all the same.


Yes.. All of it. Not to say that everything Israel does is always of God, but Israel is a people, with a covenant land, and with a government (even though it is secular). But yes, they do make mistakes just like any other government on this planet. But as I've stated before, the Israeli government far exceeds other governments I've seen in democracy. Not perfect, but not corrupt either. Has it been established by God? I think it has.. And one day it will turn into a true theocracy.

ok.. And yes we know from scripture that God is not respecter of persons Ephesians 6:9.... However, God is also a God of roles... He has given the Jews "special" roles and a place in the world based on the covenants which are irrevocable. Please see Romans 11:28-29. But mind you it comes with a blessing and a curse.. Some of these blessings are the following..

1. Preservation - God has promised to preserve Israel nationally to the end of time (Genesis 17:7-8).

2. Oracles of God - God has committed his word to the Jew (Romans 3:1-2).

3. Believing Remnant During Church Age - Another blessing God has promised to Israel is that there would always be a believing remnant in every age (Rom. 11:5).

4. Of Whom, As Concerning the Flesh, Christ Came. The crowning glory of Israel is that when God became a man, He became a Jew.

5. The Reciprocal Blessing - When God called Abraham, He told him, "I will ble-ss them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee" (Gen. 12:3).

6. Promise of Restoration to the Land - One of the great national promises to Israel is that the Jewish people would be returned to their original land. This promise is repeated over and over again throughout the Scriptures (Amos 9:15).

Gman wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote: I thought your questions rhetorical, sorry.
But I see hat you didn't answer mien as well
Look, just to be clear, I support Israel, but that does NOT equal supporting their government when they screw up big time, like when their military killed Canadian soldiers during the "Lebanon situation", or when their government has a chance for peace and they compromise it, or when one of their own kills their own prime minister.

Yes.. Friendly fire. All governments are guilty of that one or even assassination .. This even happens the U.S.. But we don't throw it away either.

PaulSacramento wrote:I've been to Israel and I have quite a few jewish friends and I know that even for THEM, Israel is far more than the geographical Israel and it is NOT the government.
Just saying.
You of course can feel free to disagree and I respect your view 100%, as always.

No problem.. Not all Jews are Zionists.. True, but just because the government may do a few bad things doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the bath water either.. That's the point I'm trying to make here.

PaulSacramento wrote: 100% agree with you on that my friend.

neo-x wrote:OK...about the govt. though, you are saying two things.

neo-x wrote:1. What Israel does is always of God.

neo-x wrote:2. It is secular, makes mistakes, not perfect just any other government on this planet (but no other govt. is of God either,, right?)

I see contradictions in the above two points.

I think they can do Godly things, and sometimes not Godly things.. That's about it. I think hands down that they do more what's right than wrong however.. AND I think they do what's in the best interest of the people there whether Jew or Arab too..