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Re: Physicists find new particle

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:16 am
by RickD
PaulSacramento wrote:Sorry, I wasn't clear, but I was pointing out that not knowing that soemthing exists doesn't mean it DOESN'T exist, it means that YOU/WE don't know that it does.
Our knowledge of something, or lack there of, has NOTHING to do with that something.
Paul, I know what you were saying. I was just teasing you. :mrgreen:

Re: Physicists find new particle

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:29 am
by PaulSacramento
RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Sorry, I wasn't clear, but I was pointing out that not knowing that soemthing exists doesn't mean it DOESN'T exist, it means that YOU/WE don't know that it does.
Our knowledge of something, or lack there of, has NOTHING to do with that something.
Paul, I know what you were saying. I was just teasing you. :mrgreen:
Sneaky ninjas are everywhere.... :shock:

Re: Physicists find new particle

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:04 am
by Beanybag
PaulSacramento wrote:Sorry, I wasn't clear, but I was pointing out that not knowing that soemthing exists doesn't mean it DOESN'T exist, it means that YOU/WE don't know that it does.
Our knowledge of something, or lack there of, has NOTHING to do with that something.
Or does it? Certainly that would be the intuitive approach but how do we prove this? It seems we must have faith in the persistent and uniform nature of the universe.

Re: Physicists find new particle

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:36 am
by PaulSacramento
Beanybag wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Sorry, I wasn't clear, but I was pointing out that not knowing that soemthing exists doesn't mean it DOESN'T exist, it means that YOU/WE don't know that it does.
Our knowledge of something, or lack there of, has NOTHING to do with that something.
Or does it? Certainly that would be the intuitive approach but how do we prove this? It seems we must have faith in the persistent and uniform nature of the universe.
Faith is all we have.
We have faith that the sun will "rise" tomorrow, but we don't know that for sure ( and one day it won't).

Re: Physicists find new particle

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:27 am
by twinc
can something exist that has not been thought of or created - twinc

Re: Physicists find new particle

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:31 am
by RickD
twinc wrote:can something exist that has not been thought of or created - twinc
Yes, twinc. God exists, and He wasn't created.

Re: Physicists find new particle

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:23 am
by twinc
RickD wrote:
twinc wrote:can something exist that has not been thought of or created - twinc
Yes, twinc. God exists, and He wasn't created.
Besides God can something exist that has not been thought of or created - btw God is not a thing or a something - God is no thing - twinc

Re: Physicists find new particle

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:08 am
by Reactionary
twinc wrote:Besides God can something exist that has not been thought of or created - btw God is not a thing or a something - God is no thing - twinc
If we assume that God exists, and that He is omniscient, then everything else that exists was thought of. 8)