Evidence for God from Science

(The "Ann" in that discussion forum is not me, RickD. I'm not on their forum.)

I'm glad to see such resourcefulness in this forum here. Lots of investigators! It's great.

The healings of thought such as Daniel and FL have had are even more important than healings of sickness, because thoughts affect everything including health. Healings of terminal illness such as B.W. has witnessed are greatly needed.

Healings of sins (impatience, doubt, fear, anger, sarcasm, lateness, selfishness,...) are important too:

At a difficult time in my marriage - which is a good marriage now - I was angry a lot. I prayed in a serious way using many verses in the Bible but I just couldn't stop. Then I asked a church member to pray with me and after a couple days I just couldn't be angry any more in that way. He thought about how anger is not a part of God, so it cannot be a part of God's creation. I haven't returned to that state of mind, and that was twenty years ago. I praise Omnipotence for this.

ChristianScientistAnn wrote:(The "Ann" in that discussion forum is not me, RickD. I'm not on their forum.)

I'm glad to see such resourcefulness in this forum here. Lots of investigators! It's great.

The healings of thought such as Daniel and FL have had are even more important than healings of sickness, because thoughts affect everything including health. Healings of terminal illness such as B.W. has witnessed are greatly needed.

Healings of sins (impatience, doubt, fear, anger, sarcasm, lateness, selfishness,...) are important too:

At a difficult time in my marriage - which is a good marriage now - I was angry a lot. I prayed in a serious way using many verses in the Bible but I just couldn't stop. Then I asked a church member to pray with me and after a couple days I just couldn't be angry any more in that way. He thought about how anger is not a part of God, so it cannot be a part of God's creation. I haven't returned to that state of mind, and that was twenty years ago. I praise Omnipotence for this.

Jesus was angry.

Well Ann, here is another interesting quote showing Eddy indeed teaches a form of Metaphysics and the goal of CS is what? Make human beings into god class thru manipulating scripture with the power of the will ... just as New Thought Metaphysics attempted through Quimby. Eddy tried to distance herself from Quniby but Qumiby's New Thought is still there in her writings.

Science and Health
Chapter X
Science of Being
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That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life, . . . That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ. — JOHN, First Epistle.

Here I stand. I can do no otherwise; so help me God! Amen! — MARTIN LUTHER.

Materialistic challenge

In the material world, thought has brought to light with great rapidity many useful wonders. With like activity have thought’s swift pinions been rising towards the realm of the real, to the spiritual cause of those lower things which give impulse to inquiry. Belief in a material basis, from which may be deduced all rationality, is slowly yielding to the idea of a metaphysical basis, looking away from matter to Mind as the cause of every effect. Materialistic hypotheses challenge metaphysics to meet in final combat. In this revolutionary period, like the shepherd-boy with his sling, woman goes forth to battle with

Confusion confounded

In this final struggle for supremacy, semi-metaphysical systems afford no substantial aid to scientific metaphysics, for their arguments are based on the false testimony of the material senses as well as on the facts of Mind. These semi-metaphysical systems are one and all pantheistic, and savor of Pandemonium, a house divided against itself.

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From first to last the supposed coexistence of Mind and matter and the mingling of good and evil have resulted from the philosophy of the serpent. Jesus’ demonstrations sift the chaff from the wheat, and unfold the unity and the reality of good, the unreality, the nothingness, of evil.

Divine metaphysics Human philosophy has made God manlike. Christian Science makes man Godlike. The first is error; the latter is truth. Metaphysics is above physics, and matter does not enter into metaphysical premises or conclusions. The categories of metaphysics rest on one basis, the divine Mind. Metaphysics resolves things into thoughts, and exchanges the objects of sense for the ideas of Soul.

Interesting to note at what great lengths Eddy goes into to make Jesus subordinate to her peculiar doctrine...

How she explains God is occultic in scope...
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ChristianScientistAnn wrote:The healings of thought such as Daniel and FL have had are even more important than healings of sickness, because thoughts affect everything including health.

I would just like to point out that I didn't undergo a healing, as such: a healing in that I was sick then became well. What occured to me was a miracle: I was an atheist one moment, and the next I was a believer. This changed my whole attitude overnight.

Carry on.

FL

ChristianScientistAnn wrote:The God I know and love is only Love, only good. The word "God" comes from the word good. See dictionary.
Supreme Goodness or divine Love does not tempt us with sin, or give us trials, disease, death, typhoons, etc. God is our dear Parent (our Father-Mother Mind) not our Afflicter, confounding us at every miserable step. God is Light, not darkness.

ChristianScientistAnn wrote:My motives for being at this forum are to encourage atheists, enjoy fellowship, learn stuff, encourage fellow Christians. In this thread I am endeavoring to encourage folks to tell about their healings.

I understand your motives in this thread, but please also understand that we want to correct statements we see are not in accordance with the Bible.

To the God and his love: Well, was it loving to send Jesus on the cross?

And, what do you think about this http://www.gotquestions.org/trials-tribulations.html

ChristianScientistAnn wrote:The healings of thought such as Daniel and FL have had are even more important than healings of sickness, because thoughts affect everything including health. Healings of terminal illness such as B.W. has witnessed are greatly needed.

One of my friends and mentor said to me once when I was trying to give up addictions that I had "the world you believe in is the world you shall inherit", it was so true. I couldn't give up my addictions because I believed that I couldn't but through the power of Christ making me whole my belief changed.

I couldn't give up my addictions because I believed that I couldn't but through the power of Christ making me whole my belief changed.

Yes, the lies one buys into - and that they nourish and invest in - will continue to control them.

I see this all the time in many areas. One of them is people wrongly believing that they are genetically born to their homosexuality - that they believe "I am what I am, I'm what I was born to forever be" and that "changing would be like a zebra losing its stripes, as I can't change how I was born - nor do I want to." Some even believe that God CREATED them to be a homosexual. Of course, we are all born with a sin nature predisposed to all manner of wrongful thinking and behaviors.

But if one totally buys into the belief that there is some aspect of themselves and their behavior that they absolutely cannot EVER change - well, while it is true that they can't do it on their own, GOD can help them to change as He desires them to, and if they desire and seek His help to do so. But that means one must WANT and pursue that change through a relationship with Christ. As all other "change" will be fleeting, fragmented and typically temporary. And that's not to say that change, with the Lord's help, won't be a gradual process or easy, but if one has deluded themselves that they are born TRAPPED, with no way out of their sinful behaviors - be it drug, porn addiction or whatever, and they have no desire to change or to reach out to God to facilitate that change, well, they most certainly shall REMAIN trapped (and by their own choosing).

Just curious as to why we always single out homosexuals, how about obese people etc...

There is such a focus on homosexuality and all I see is an obese pastor bashing them from the pulpit.

I am not saying homosexual relations are right, just saying we have an unhealthy obsession with the idea, probably because it detracts the attention from our own sin.

Why is homosexuality the go to example when there are so many other?

I am not saying homosexual relations are right, just saying we have an unhealthy obsession with the idea, probably because it detracts the attention from our own sin.

Well, Daniel, it just so happens to be a very good example of a false belief that permeates our society, that has grown at an incredible rate over the past few years - all because people consider it natural and unchangable. And the belief and entrenchment of it goes far beyond just homosexuals, as people at all levels of society are buying into the belief that homosexuals are "God made," and that "it is impossible for them to change, nor should they want to change, because it is natural." Of course, similar beliefs also exist with many other entrenched, sinful behaviors that people refuse to repent of. But with most other sins (IF they are even recognized as such), it's much less rare that people think they can't stop if they ever wanted to. But if you believe you were BORN in such a way that totally prevents you from the cessation of acting out behaviors you believe to natural to the genetics that made you the way you are, then even if you wanted to change, you are not very likely to think that is even possible.

There are many homosexuals who claim to be Christians who are convinced that their sexuality should be embraced as being "God-given." Many churches believe and teach this. However, Homosexuality is no more or less an unrepentant/unrecognized sin (by its practitioners) than adulterous relationships or a multitude of other sins. Please understand that I'm not singling out homosexuals - as this sin is just my example - I'm merely asserting that the false beliefs that are driving them have crossed sexual boundaries and have been embraced by a large percentage of people across all of society. Few other entrenched sinful behaviors are thought to unchangeable due to genetics, or by so many not involved in or practicing the behavior. And so my basic point is not singling out homosexuality, but that whatever you believe about WHATEVER behavior you think is impossible to change or avoid, is a lie that you will likely continue to buy into so that you can continuously justify the continuing behavior - WHATEVER that sinful, continuing and unrepentant behavior happens to be. Homosexuality is but one example - again, no greater than many others - but rather unique in the beliefs re-enforcing it (across the entire society).

There are many divorcees who are convined of their marital status be embraced as "God-given" and not be recognized as a sin. And guess what? that is exactly what is happening. Divorce is so common its not a sin anymore.

Edit...so is lying by the way. Adults lie all the time, small lies, harmless lies, lies of which they are convinced that they have to say it to save the day or trouble, be that the office or home. And somehow people believe that the small lies are kind of no lies at all or are not an abomination to God, which infact it is. But big lies are somewhat more punishable.

Wow, I'm so grateful for the previous posts about strong healings of addiction, incurable disease, atheism. And for the comments about the great need to heal homosexuality, divorce, lying, and obesity and not buy into it. So true. YES!
Sometimes I take the alphabet to help me remember healings that happened to me: anxiety, apathy, athlete's foot, burns, cavity in tooth, colds, constipation, controlling others (trying to), diarrhea, earache, flu, forgetting, gum problem, hate, heart problem,...
I'm hoping to jog your good memories too.
Ann

ChristianScientistAnn wrote:Wow, I'm so grateful for the previous posts about strong healings of addiction, incurable disease, atheism. And for the comments about the great need to heal homosexuality, divorce, lying, and obesity and not buy into it. So true. YES!
Sometimes I take the alphabet to help me remember healings that happened to me: anxiety, apathy, athlete's foot, burns, cavity in tooth, colds, constipation, controlling others (trying to), diarrhea, earache, flu, forgetting, gum problem, hate, heart problem,...
I'm hoping to jog your good memories too.
Ann

Ann please take the time to read these verses from Romans. What do they mean to you?

Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
Rom 5:4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;
Rom 5:5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Rom 5:6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Rom 5:11 And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

Bible quotes are from the NASB
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(B.W., Each and every one of those verses, and every word in each of those verses in Romans are important to me. - A.)

...hiccups, impatience, jitters, knee giving out, limping, loneliness,...

Ann

Ann,

Do you know what the verses from Romans 5 are saying?

Take the first verse - what makes it important to you?
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Well, Daniel, it just so happens to be a very good example of a false belief that permeates our society, that has grown at an incredible rate over the past few years - all because people consider it natural and unchangable. And the belief and entrenchment of it goes far beyond just homosexuals, as people at all levels of society are buying into the belief that homosexuals are "God made," and that "it is impossible for them to change, nor should they want to change, because it is natural." Of course, similar beliefs also exist with many other entrenched, sinful behaviors that people refuse to repent of. But with most other sins (IF they are even recognized as such), it's much less rare that people think they can't stop if they ever wanted to. But if you believe you were BORN in such a way that totally prevents you from the cessation of acting out behaviors you believe to natural to the genetics that made you the way you are, then even if you wanted to change, you are not very likely to think that is even possible.

Perhaps the reason homosexuality has been more accepted in society today is not due to a moral plunge of society, but due to scientific evidence stacking more and more in favor of it being ingrained in a person's nature and against it being something people due out of evilness. With this is mind, it seems increasingly ludicrous to call it sinful because there's no practical argument against it other than "God hates it". Any person claiming homosexuality is a choice or a sickness would be a laughing stock in pretty much any scientific circle.

It's things like this that make me really struggle with the idea of total Biblical inerrancy to be honest. Little instances where the Bible appears to contradict reality. Call me a heretic but it really does enter my mind when I read stuff like this.