Evidence for God from Science

PaulSacramento wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:
Anyone can read the gospel, and interpret it as they see fit, and they do, or is there an iron fist that demands that all people believe the same things, in the same way?

Yes, anyone can interpret the bible anyway they like IN LIGHT of what it actually says.

If someone reads the Gospel and says it means that it is ok to commit adultery or to kill or steal, they would be 100% wrong because it does NOT SAY anything like that at all.

You can only believe in the Gospel if you believe the Gospel and there is only one Gospel no matter how many different ways the SAME THING is said, it is still the same thing (Gospel).

And, that is your interpretation. Is my assessment correct, or not?

Where do you get this idea, that others have read the gospel and said that, it is ok to commit adultery or to kill or steal, because they read the gospel? As you keep coming back to this, as though you need to disprove something, that was not said? at least not here, or by me.

TheQuestor wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:
Anyone can read the gospel, and interpret it as they see fit, and they do, or is there an iron fist that demands that all people believe the same things, in the same way?

Yes, anyone can interpret the bible anyway they like IN LIGHT of what it actually says.

If someone reads the Gospel and says it means that it is ok to commit adultery or to kill or steal, they would be 100% wrong because it does NOT SAY anything like that at all.

You can only believe in the Gospel if you believe the Gospel and there is only one Gospel no matter how many different ways the SAME THING is said, it is still the same thing (Gospel).

And, that is your interpretation. Is my assessment correct, or not?

Where do you get this idea, that others have read the gospel and said that, it is ok to commit adultery or to kill or steal, because they read the gospel? As you keep coming back to this, as though you need to disprove something, that was not said? at least not here, or by me.

You said this:

The gospel, seems to mean whatever someone wants it to mean...

I was simply pointing out that is NOT the case and gave you examples.
The gospel can NOT mean WHATEVER someone WANTS it to mean, that is just silly.

The gospel may be expressed in different ways, like we can say "what a nice red dress" and another say " what a bold color of crimson skirt" or another say "Her dress was like rubies".
They must still mean similar things and they can NOT mean whatever anyone wants them to mean.

PaulSacramento wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:
Anyone can read the gospel, and interpret it as they see fit, and they do, or is there an iron fist that demands that all people believe the same things, in the same way?

Yes, anyone can interpret the bible anyway they like IN LIGHT of what it actually says.

If someone reads the Gospel and says it means that it is ok to commit adultery or to kill or steal, they would be 100% wrong because it does NOT SAY anything like that at all.

You can only believe in the Gospel if you believe the Gospel and there is only one Gospel no matter how many different ways the SAME THING is said, it is still the same thing (Gospel).

And, that is your interpretation. Is my assessment correct, or not?

Where do you get this idea, that others have read the gospel and said that, it is ok to commit adultery or to kill or steal, because they read the gospel? As you keep coming back to this, as though you need to disprove something, that was not said? at least not here, or by me.

You said this:

The gospel, seems to mean whatever someone wants it to mean...

I was simply pointing out that is NOT the case and gave you examples.
The gospel can NOT mean WHATEVER someone WANTS it to mean, that is just silly.

The gospel may be expressed in different ways, like we can say "what a nice red dress" and another say " what a bold color of crimson skirt" or another say "Her dress was like rubies".
They must still mean similar things and they can NOT mean whatever anyone wants them to mean.

Are there not people of other religions, and atheist, who can read the same gospel, as you, and get very different meanings, or laugh so hard that they find it hard to breath? Surely you must know that this happens. Thus the gospel, seems to mean whatever someone wants it to mean.

Or must everyone, believe exactly as you do?

If we are the product, of God, then we are perfect,

Define perfect.

Were any sins, redeemed at his death? did sinning stop? did killing stop? did hate end? who was saved?

Why did Jesus come and die?
What was the purpose and result of the cross?

Mallz wrote:

If we are the product, of God, then we are perfect,

Define perfect.

Were any sins, redeemed at his death? did sinning stop? did killing stop? did hate end? who was saved?

Why did Jesus come and die?
What was the purpose and result of the cross?

3 billion lines of DNA chemical code, that has lived for at least 3.5 billion years, as far as we know, and that improves itself with every generation, is perfect. What DNA does, is to improve the code that runs us, and everything, this is like an early computer, growing a new operating system, and new cpu's and hard drives, with every generation, without any human intervention. DNA allows you to contemplate the universe, it is the most powerful, and complex thing in the known universe, DNA, is the image of God, within us, given to us by God, or so the bible says.

Why did Jesus come and die. He did not come and die, he was born, he lived and had great effect on others, then he was killed.
The purpose of the cross, was a public death, meant to kill criminals and others who caused troubles for the Roman Empire, and to keep the masses in line, with fear.

All other meanings, are the product of human writers after the fact.

Jesus was raised from the dead, to become what he is today, so focus on life, making it, healing it and taking it to the heavens, so that we can be immortal, and not just die on this little nowhere planet.

TheQuestor wrote:Are there not people of other religions, and atheist, who can read the same gospel, as you, and get very different meanings, or laugh so hard that they find it hard to breath? Surely you must know that this happens. Thus the gospel, seems to mean whatever someone wants it to mean.

Or must everyone, believe exactly as you do?

I'm sure many Atheists find good news in the Bible.

• And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

Kurieuo wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:Are there not people of other religions, and atheist, who can read the same gospel, as you, and get very different meanings, or laugh so hard that they find it hard to breath? Surely you must know that this happens. Thus the gospel, seems to mean whatever someone wants it to mean.

Or must everyone, believe exactly as you do?

I'm sure many Atheists find good news in the Bible.

• And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

I am also sure that many atheist, read the bible as some read, the superman comics. Jesus, is more feared today, than ever, because the bible, is coming to life, every day, by science, the same science, that tries to mock the bible into oblivion. If Jesus, came back tomorrow, somebody would find a way to crucify him again, or perhaps, they would just saw off his head, as is the current practice, of Christian haters.

I'm not so sure that Jesus is feared more today, or even feared. Why would someone fear Jesus?

TheQuestor wrote:

Mallz wrote:

If we are the product, of God, then we are perfect,

Define perfect.

Were any sins, redeemed at his death? did sinning stop? did killing stop? did hate end? who was saved?

Why did Jesus come and die?
What was the purpose and result of the cross?

3 billion lines of DNA chemical code, that has lived for at least 3.5 billion years, as far as we know, and that improves itself with every generation, is perfect. What DNA does, is to improve the code that runs us, and everything, this is like an early computer, growing a new operating system, and new cpu's and hard drives, with every generation, without any human intervention. DNA allows you to contemplate the universe, it is the most powerful, and complex thing in the known universe, DNA, is the image of God, within us, given to us by God, or so the bible says.

Why did Jesus come and die. He did not come and die, he was born, he lived and had great effect on others, then he was killed.
The purpose of the cross, was a public death, meant to kill criminals and others who caused troubles for the Roman Empire, and to keep the masses in line, with fear.

All other meanings, are the product of human writers after the fact.

Jesus was raised from the dead, to become what he is today, so focus on life, making it, healing it and taking it to the heavens, so that we can be immortal, and not just die on this little nowhere planet.

Kurieuo wrote:I'm not so sure that Jesus is feared more today, or even feared. Why would someone fear Jesus?

Why do people saw off other peoples heads today?

Answer, because they fear what those people represent. Jesus, is the most powerful, man in the world, even in death, if you count the number of people following him. Many of the rest, both hate and despise everything Christian, that is all around them, these people live in fear of the goodness of God, and the risen Christ, that is still a big part of this world.

RickD wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

Mallz wrote:

If we are the product, of God, then we are perfect,

Define perfect.

Were any sins, redeemed at his death? did sinning stop? did killing stop? did hate end? who was saved?

Why did Jesus come and die?
What was the purpose and result of the cross?

3 billion lines of DNA chemical code, that has lived for at least 3.5 billion years, as far as we know, and that improves itself with every generation, is perfect. What DNA does, is to improve the code that runs us, and everything, this is like an early computer, growing a new operating system, and new cpu's and hard drives, with every generation, without any human intervention. DNA allows you to contemplate the universe, it is the most powerful, and complex thing in the known universe, DNA, is the image of God, within us, given to us by God, or so the bible says.

Why did Jesus come and die. He did not come and die, he was born, he lived and had great effect on others, then he was killed.
The purpose of the cross, was a public death, meant to kill criminals and others who caused troubles for the Roman Empire, and to keep the masses in line, with fear.

All other meanings, are the product of human writers after the fact.

Jesus was raised from the dead, to become what he is today, so focus on life, making it, healing it and taking it to the heavens, so that we can be immortal, and not just die on this little nowhere planet.

How many people knew what DNA was, when the bible was written?

Answer, none, in fact trying to explain such a concept, would have proved fruitless. However what God gave us, is the the computer software of DNA, to figure these things out on our own.

Or, do you believe that all life was formed one day, in a dead warm pond that had nothing better to do?

So either God created your DNA, or Darwin's doofy ideas did.

Amen

PaulSacramento wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:
Anyone can read the gospel, and interpret it as they see fit, and they do, or is there an iron fist that demands that all people believe the same things, in the same way?

Yes, anyone can interpret the bible anyway they like IN LIGHT of what it actually says.

If someone reads the Gospel and says it means that it is ok to commit adultery or to kill or steal, they would be 100% wrong because it does NOT SAY anything like that at all.

You can only believe in the Gospel if you believe the Gospel and there is only one Gospel no matter how many different ways the SAME THING is said, it is still the same thing (Gospel).

And, that is your interpretation. Is my assessment correct, or not?

Where do you get this idea, that others have read the gospel and said that, it is ok to commit adultery or to kill or steal, because they read the gospel? As you keep coming back to this, as though you need to disprove something, that was not said? at least not here, or by me.

You said this:

The gospel, seems to mean whatever someone wants it to mean...

I was simply pointing out that is NOT the case and gave you examples.
The gospel can NOT mean WHATEVER someone WANTS it to mean, that is just silly.

The gospel may be expressed in different ways, like we can say "what a nice red dress" and another say " what a bold color of crimson skirt" or another say "Her dress was like rubies".
They must still mean similar things and they can NOT mean whatever anyone wants them to mean.

Trust me Paul, a schizophrenic, can read the bible, and take away any meaning that pops into their mind. Such as kill all Romans, or find a prostitute and wash her feet. Neither you nor the bible, can dictate what people think.

TheQuestor wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:
Anyone can read the gospel, and interpret it as they see fit, and they do, or is there an iron fist that demands that all people believe the same things, in the same way?

Yes, anyone can interpret the bible anyway they like IN LIGHT of what it actually says.

If someone reads the Gospel and says it means that it is ok to commit adultery or to kill or steal, they would be 100% wrong because it does NOT SAY anything like that at all.

You can only believe in the Gospel if you believe the Gospel and there is only one Gospel no matter how many different ways the SAME THING is said, it is still the same thing (Gospel).

And, that is your interpretation. Is my assessment correct, or not?

Where do you get this idea, that others have read the gospel and said that, it is ok to commit adultery or to kill or steal, because they read the gospel? As you keep coming back to this, as though you need to disprove something, that was not said? at least not here, or by me.

You said this:

The gospel, seems to mean whatever someone wants it to mean...

I was simply pointing out that is NOT the case and gave you examples.
The gospel can NOT mean WHATEVER someone WANTS it to mean, that is just silly.

The gospel may be expressed in different ways, like we can say "what a nice red dress" and another say " what a bold color of crimson skirt" or another say "Her dress was like rubies".
They must still mean similar things and they can NOT mean whatever anyone wants them to mean.

Trust me Paul, a schizophrenic, can read the bible, and take away any meaning that pops into their mind. Such as kill all Romans, or find a prostitute and wash her feet. Neither you nor the bible, can dictate what people think.

And that in no way changes the meaning of the gospel.

And that in no way changes the meaning of the gospel.

Ok Rick, so in your world, everybody has to believe all the same things as you, the way you do.

PS. I just did a Google search, and in .37 seconds Google returned 35,500,000 different answers to what does the gospel mean, which is one for every person, who chose to put their answer online somewhere. https://www.google.com/#q=meaning+of+the+gospel

PSS. Can you put your definition down in print of exactly what is the gospel means, and have this meaning be agreed to by everyone. It's completely illogical, but you can prove me wrong now.

TheQuestor wrote:

And that in no way changes the meaning of the gospel.

Ok Rick, so in your world, everybody has to believe all the same things as you, the way you do.

PS. I just did a Google search, and in .37 seconds Google returned 35,500,000 different answers to what does the gospel mean, which is one for every person, who chose to put their answer online somewhere. https://www.google.com/#q=meaning+of+the+gospel

PSS. Can you put your definition down in print of exactly what is the gospel means, and have this meaning be agreed to by everyone. It's completely illogical, but you can prove me wrong now.

Now you are talking about the different interpretations of what the gospel means. That's not the same as what it actually means. You're making a similar argument as those people who say objective truth is subjective, because people all have different objective truths.

I'm not arguing against the idea that everybody has his own idea of what the gospel means. I agree with that. But that's not what you said before, that I disagree with. You said:

The gospel, seems to mean whatever someone wants it to mean..................

The gospel doesn't mean whatever someone wants it to mean.
If everyone disagrees about the meaning, that doesn't change the meaning. If everyone disagrees about what truths are objective, that doesn't change the meaning of objective truth.