Does Evolution and Science draw people away from God?

[abelcainsbrother]

Here is how I see evolution,the bible teaches us that there were giants on this earth both before Noah's flood and after Noah's flood,well think of David and Goliath,Goliath was a giant taunting God,evolution is a giant in our day and just like in Davids time there were people afraid of Goliath,willing to tolerate him,David was not one of them,and today in our time Christians have been fighting Goliath with the wrong tactics or creation theories and it has had very little effect on evolution the giant in oypur day taunting us and our God to the point that today Goliath is still here,it is time to pull out the Gap theory and actually defeat Goliath or evolution.Only the Gap theory can do it out of all of the other creation theories that have tried and failed.The Gap theory proved God's word true before Charles Darwin wrote his book in 1859 and it can do it today and evolution will be defeated finally.

[Danieltwotwenty]

Here is how I see evolution,the bible teaches us that there were giants on this earth both before Noah's flood and after Noah's flood,well think of David and Goliath,Goliath was a giant taunting God,evolution is a giant in our day and just like in Davids time there were people afraid of Goliath,willing to tolerate him,David was not one of them,and today in our time Christians have been fighting Goliath with the wrong tactics or creation theories and it has had very little effect on evolution the giant in oypur day taunting us and our God to the point that today Goliath is still here,it is time to pull out the Gap theory and actually defeat Goliath or evolution.Only the Gap theory can do it out of all of the other creation theories that have tried and failed.The Gap theory proved God's word true before Charles Darwin wrote his book in 1859 and it can do it today and evolution will be defeated finally.

This doesn't explain why millions of people through science and evolution have been drawn to God, if this is Goliath as you say then why has this occurred? It seems like there is some dissonance between what you claim and what is actually happening in reality and I wonder how you account for that.

[abelcainsbrother]

Here is how I see evolution,the bible teaches us that there were giants on this earth both before Noah's flood and after Noah's flood,well think of David and Goliath,Goliath was a giant taunting God,evolution is a giant in our day and just like in Davids time there were people afraid of Goliath,willing to tolerate him,David was not one of them,and today in our time Christians have been fighting Goliath with the wrong tactics or creation theories and it has had very little effect on evolution the giant in oypur day taunting us and our God to the point that today Goliath is still here,it is time to pull out the Gap theory and actually defeat Goliath or evolution.Only the Gap theory can do it out of all of the other creation theories that have tried and failed.The Gap theory proved God's word true before Charles Darwin wrote his book in 1859 and it can do it today and evolution will be defeated finally.a

This doesn't explain why millions of people through science and evolution have been drawn to God, if this is Goliath as you say then why has this occurred? It seems like there is some dissonance between what you claim and what is actually happening in reality and I wonder how you account for that.

I don't see it like you do,evolution has increased atheism in our society and since Chri

[abelcainsbrother]

Here is how I see evolution,the bible teaches us that there were giants on this earth both before Noah's flood and after Noah's flood,well think of David and Goliath,Goliath was a giant taunting God,evolution is a giant in our day and just like in Davids time there were people afraid of Goliath,willing to tolerate him,David was not one of them,and today in our time Christians have been fighting Goliath with the wrong tactics or creation theories and it has had very little effect on evolution the giant in oypur day taunting us and our God to the point that today Goliath is still here,it is time to pull out the Gap theory and actually defeat Goliath or evolution.Only the Gap theory can do it out of all of the other creation theories that have tried and failed.The Gap theory proved God's word true before Charles Darwin wrote his book in 1859 and it can do it today and evolution will be defeated finally.a

This doesn't explain why millions of people through science and evolution have been drawn to God, if this is Goliath as you say then why has this occurred? It seems like there is some dissonance between what you claim and what is actually happening in reality and I wonder how you account for that.

I don't see it like you do,evolution has increased atheism in our society and since Christians have had no answer really to refute it certian Christians have learned how to deal with it,and have accepted it despite the lack of real evidence,have accepted it nonetheless then make it fit into God's word.But they must deny certain parts of the bible and have compromised God's word saying the bible is not a science book,we don't have to take genesis literally,they choose which to accept and which not to even when no scientist can demonstrate life evolves.

[neo-x]

Here is how I see evolution,the bible teaches us that there were giants on this earth both before Noah's flood and after Noah's flood,well think of David and Goliath,Goliath was a giant taunting God,evolution is a giant in our day and just like in Davids time there were people afraid of Goliath,willing to tolerate him,David was not one of them,and today in our time Christians have been fighting Goliath with the wrong tactics or creation theories and it has had very little effect on evolution the giant in oypur day taunting us and our God to the point that today Goliath is still here,it is time to pull out the Gap theory and actually defeat Goliath or evolution.Only the Gap theory can do it out of all of the other creation theories that have tried and failed.The Gap theory proved God's word true before Charles Darwin wrote his book in 1859 and it can do it today and evolution will be defeated finally.a

This doesn't explain why millions of people through science and evolution have been drawn to God, if this is Goliath as you say then why has this occurred? It seems like there is some dissonance between what you claim and what is actually happening in reality and I wonder how you account for that.

I don't see it like you do,evolution has increased atheism...

And that is a very good, wonderful thing, ACB.

[Danieltwotwenty]

I don't see it like you do,evolution has increased atheism in our society

Has it though? Other than assertion is there any actual proof that atheism is on the increase? I think over all Christianity on a world wide scale is having a boom and the only reason atheism seems to be on the rise in western countries is that more people are openly atheist, back a few years it could be dangerous for an atheist to be out in the open with their beliefs or at the very least it would make their life difficult, so naturally there were a lot more pew warmers back then, so it stands to reason that western countries have an increase in atheism in recent years, but only due to being open about it. This is a case of correlation does not always equal causation, I mean sure there may be some who decided atheism due to some sort of scientific discovery but by and large I think they would be a minority. There are plenty of other reasons why the church is in decline in the west which I won't post for now as I don't want to get bogged down in to much information.

and since Christians have had no answer really to refute it certian Christians have learned how to deal with it

I will ignore this part as it is just biased opinion and not based on any facts whatsoever.

,and have accepted it despite the lack of real evidence,

Hey if you can provide a model with the explanatory power that evolution has and it can make predictions that evolution can and we can test, repeat and observe those predictions then show me. Until that time based on the current evidence, evolution seems to be the winning theory that actually works.

have accepted it nonetheless then make it fit into God's word.

Well that all depends on which T.E you ask, this is a bit of a generalisation and not one that is applicable to me.

But they must deny certain parts of the bible

This is just biased opinion again, we only deny your interpretation of the Bible, we could easily say the exact same thing about yourself as Jac has already shown you that your interpretation may not be correct. After all we believe God's word and not yours and we don't believe God's word says what you think it means.

and have compromised God's word saying the bible is not a science book

If the Bible was meant to be a science book as you claim then why are we making new discoveries everyday, if all we needed was the Bible there would be no discoveries to be made. For a science book it isn't very comprehensive, I would expect better from an omnipotent God. I think we can safely conclude that being a science book was never it's intention.

,we don't have to take genesis literally,

Agreed Seriously though, the people who's language it is written in don't even take it literally, I have spoken to quite a few Rabbi's and Jewish people over the years and not one of them so far has said it has to be literal. I am sure there are Jewish people who do take it literally, but I have yet to meet them.

they choose which to accept and which not to even when no scientist can demonstrate life evolves.

You do realise that humans are still evolving, I actually have an extra tendon in my wrist, I am like 1 in 100,000(I think, can't remember exact numbers) (It's actually not a beneficial trait and causes me grief, especially on the guitar). We are slowly losing our wisdom teeth, our fingers are getting longer, our brains believe it or not are actully shrinking and our height is shrinking, there are probably many, many other things that have changed for the human race in recorded history. We have evolved, we are still evolving currently and there is a mountain of evidence for it.

[Starhunter]

Danielnottwenty said "You do realise that humans are still evolving..."

So Jesus was primitive then?

I believe that humans are devolving...

[neo-x]

there is no such thing as devolving...lol. atleast don't build strawmen.

[RickD]

ACB,

From reading your posts here, I think you are conflating evolution(change over time) with what Biologos calls Evolutionism.
Maybe this article will show you what some Theistic Evolutionists believe. That way if you want, you can argue against what they actually believe. Instead of lumping all evolution into the same belief system as Evolutionism, or evolution without God.

http://biologos.org/questions/biologos-id-creationism

[Audie]

Danielnottwenty said "You do realise that humans are still evolving..."

So Jesus was primitive then?

I believe that humans are devolving...

There is no reason to think that people of 50,000 or more years ago were in any sense 'primitive" compared to people of today.

Their culture of course, was. No fact time unless they really were face to face.

IF people of Jesus' time-presumably including including Him, tho the genetics are a bit hard to fathom for one so born- had been in any possible sense been physically primitive compared to today's people that would still have nothing to do with the sort of mind they'd have. .

For that matter-
Neanderthal had a larger brain, on the average, than H sapiens.

Mental capacity is far more to the point in cultural / intellectual matters than are
fine details of anatomy and physiology.

On what basis do you say you think humans are "devolving"? Im sure you have an interesting thought but I dont know what it is.

[Audie]

ACB,

From reading your posts here, I think you are conflating evolution(change over time) with what Biologos calls Evolutionism.
Maybe this article will show you what some Theistic Evolutionists believe. That way if you want, you can argue against what they actually believe. Instead of lumping all evolution into the same belief system as Evolutionism, or evolution without God.

http://biologos.org/questions/biologos-id-creationism

By "evolution without God" would you mean, evolution without God tweaking and micro-managing, or without any God in existence at all?

[RickD]

ACB,

From reading your posts here, I think you are conflating evolution(change over time) with what Biologos calls Evolutionism.
Maybe this article will show you what some Theistic Evolutionists believe. That way if you want, you can argue against what they actually believe. Instead of lumping all evolution into the same belief system as Evolutionism, or evolution without God.

http://biologos.org/questions/biologos-id-creationism

By "evolution without God" would you mean, evolution without God tweaking and micro-managing, or without any God in existence at all?

From the link:

...Evolutionism is the atheistic worldview that says life developed without God and without purpose...

[Audie]

ACB,

From reading your posts here, I think you are conflating evolution(change over time) with what Biologos calls Evolutionism.
Maybe this article will show you what some Theistic Evolutionists believe. That way if you want, you can argue against what they actually believe. Instead of lumping all evolution into the same belief system as Evolutionism, or evolution without God.

http://biologos.org/questions/biologos-id-creationism

By "evolution without God" would you mean, evolution without God tweaking and micro-managing, or without any God in existence at all?

From the link:

...Evolutionism is the atheistic worldview that says life developed without God and without purpose...

Id never heard of either Dawkins or evolutionism until I saw various religions sorts making a big deal about them, and, as you suggested, conflating ideas from those pinpoint sources with all the science that goes into ToE.

I wish you success in convincing (all) your fellow Christians on this distinction.

[PaulSacramento]

The FACT that many scientists and lay people that do believe in evolution, some are even clergy!, shows that the answer to this thread:
Does Evolution and Science draw people away from God?

Is a resounding NO.

[RickD]

Getting back to Melanie's quote in Daniel's original post:

melanie wrote:
The fact of the matter is, no matter how many Christians tie in evolution into their beliefs, it has had a massive detrimental effect on people relying on God instead of man to answer the question of 'why are we here, how did we get here ect'.

Mel, if you're still paying attention to this thread, I'd like you to expound on this. On the surface, I disagree. Unless I'm mistaken, evolution makes no claims about why we are here, or how we got here. Now of course each person who believes in evolution has his own belief of origins. But, I think that issue is separate from the evolution of existing life.