"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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Yes, because I'd be saving millions.1over137 wrote:A question: would you yourself kill Hitler to rescue other poeple?
No one ever said at what age, I would go back to when he was a child and teach him then and hopefully he would grow into a better person. I don't know about you but the events that happened in my childhood shaped the person who I am today, so it's not about saving anyone but rather shaping them.Kurieuo wrote:Yes, because I'd be saving millions.1over137 wrote:A question: would you yourself kill Hitler to rescue other poeple?
@D220, I'm not sure how you could "save" anyone, let alone save a person who was happy to rewrite the Bible for their own purposes.
Hitler clearly considered himself the Übermensch in Nietzsche's ideas.
Since no one can stay on topic..... I want to say something about this.1over137 wrote:When I was emailing with my old wise friend, we spoke something like this:
Me: if i end up in hell i would ask satan why he is doing what he is doing.
Him: he would only laugh to your face.
... and my naivety ended.
No, I would not witness the Gospel to anyone who doesn't ask first; that's just not me. Let them go to Hell People who ask are curious, people who don't, don't want to be bothered. When I was an atheist, I hated door-to-door religion salesmen. God uses me by putting the appropriate people on my path. Anyway, it isn't me who preaches the Gospel, but Jesus working through me.RickD wrote:So you would preach the gospel to hitler too? I think hitler did speak French. Just think FL, you could've changed the world!Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Adherents of the Social Gospel don't seem to understand that Christians are not here to make the world a better place. Indeed, that would be impossible, as the Bible makes clear. There are no good people in Heaven; all good people die and go to Hell. Heaven is a place for repentant sinners. Think that over!
Christians are here to witness to what Christ as done for us.
I would've loved to have a chat with old Adolph. He was probably a really nice guy. Once you got to know him. He's probably just misunderstood. You know, bad childhood. Lack of a father figure. Domineering mother.
You may kill Hitler but he is just a pawn and another will take his place until it is all accomplished.Kurieuo wrote:Yes, because I'd be saving millions.1over137 wrote:A question: would you yourself kill Hitler to rescue other poeple?
@D220, I'm not sure how you could "save" anyone, let alone save a person who was happy to rewrite the Bible for their own purposes.
Hitler clearly considered himself the Übermensch in Nietzsche's ideas.
Yes, just like if I raised Hitler as a baby I'd probably save people too.Danieltwotwenty wrote:You may kill Hitler but he is just a pawn and another will take his place until it is all accomplished.Kurieuo wrote:Yes, because I'd be saving millions.1over137 wrote:A question: would you yourself kill Hitler to rescue other poeple?
@D220, I'm not sure how you could "save" anyone, let alone save a person who was happy to rewrite the Bible for their own purposes.
Hitler clearly considered himself the Übermensch in Nietzsche's ideas.
Your efforts would be futile and you would have broken God's law for futility.
Do you really think you would "save" these people........
Hitler was a wimp who had one testicle (the other gonad was undescended). Therein was his power: half man, half sissy woman. He understood how to use every one of us.Proinsias wrote:Assuming a time machine, who would beat Hitler in a fight?
Pacifism is not about standing by and doing nothing, it is about using non-violent means.Kurieuo wrote:Yes, just like if I raised Hitler as a baby I'd probably save people too.Danieltwotwenty wrote:You may kill Hitler but he is just a pawn and another will take his place until it is all accomplished.Kurieuo wrote:Yes, because I'd be saving millions.1over137 wrote:A question: would you yourself kill Hitler to rescue other poeple?
@D220, I'm not sure how you could "save" anyone, let alone save a person who was happy to rewrite the Bible for their own purposes.
Hitler clearly considered himself the Übermensch in Nietzsche's ideas.
Your efforts would be futile and you would have broken God's law for futility.
Do you really think you would "save" these people........
Passivism however is evil because it stands by and refuses to defend weak and innocent.
Passivism is too simple and naive. As Hana pointed out, if Satan were asked why he does what he does, he'd most likely laugh at you.
It will allow little heads to roll, Tutsis to be slaughtered and millions of people to be gassed.
While we share kind, we're not all the same.
I am the one who was attacked for my creation theory and you were rude to me.I never attacked anyone for believing different than me.I just present what I believe and explain what I like or reject about other creation theories,but I am never rude to you or anybody who thinks differently than me.Danieltwotwenty wrote:I was reading something someone wrote today and it really struck a chord with me, I have quoted it below.
That's the thing with "evil". People try to make it into some kind of magical substance that only certain people have. It allows them to think "Oh, I would never do things like that. I'm not capable of it. I'm a good person. Only evil people do things like that, people who have evil inside them."
That is not what evil is. The root of evil is becoming so locked into your own personal beliefs about reality that you start seeing it as reality. You start thinking you have what's Absolutely Right and Absolutely True, so you then feel justified in harming or punishing other beings for being "wrong".
Watch the movie Downfall. It's about Hitler's last days in a bunker in Berlin. There was such discomfort in Germany about that movie, for many understandable and valid reasons, but one of the most interesting reasons was because no one wanted to admit that Hitler was actually a human being. It's much more comfortable to think he was a monster, completely insane, because that way we don't have to see the Hitler inside each of us. It's not that the film portrays him as a good person, just that it shows he was a person. A crazy, deluded person...but a person. And a person any of us can become if we too become totally convinced that we are RIGHT, and everyone else is WRONG, and dammit we will KILL THEM if they don't get with the program! That impulse is inside all of us, it's just a matter of how each of us address that emotion.
We all do this on one level or another (myself included), the West Boro Baptist Church is an extreme example of this type of behaviour, it also exists within the creation debate (or any opposing theologies for that matter) but is a softer example of this behaviour (if there is such a thing as softer when it comes to evil), even atheists are guilty of this behaviour (many want religion eradicated). It does not discriminate, it exists within all of us, we judge and condemn based on it and we think our own proverbial don't stink.
Anyway just something I thought I would throw out there.
Cheers
Daniel,Danieltwotwenty wrote:Every single comment so far has not been on the topic, can the mods actually do their jobs?
But you being a former atheist might know how to reach them with the gospel better than somebody who was not an atheist.Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:No, I would not witness the Gospel to anyone who doesn't ask first; that's just not me. Let them go to Hell People who ask are curious, people who don't, don't want to be bothered. When I was an atheist, I hated door-to-door religion salesmen. God uses me by putting the appropriate people on my path. Anyway, it isn't me who preaches the Gospel, but Jesus working through me.RickD wrote:So you would preach the gospel to hitler too? I think hitler did speak French. Just think FL, you could've changed the world!Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Adherents of the Social Gospel don't seem to understand that Christians are not here to make the world a better place. Indeed, that would be impossible, as the Bible makes clear. There are no good people in Heaven; all good people die and go to Hell. Heaven is a place for repentant sinners. Think that over!
Christians are here to witness to what Christ as done for us.
I would've loved to have a chat with old Adolph. He was probably a really nice guy. Once you got to know him. He's probably just misunderstood. You know, bad childhood. Lack of a father figure. Domineering mother.
I doubt Hitler spoke French. I have read several books on him and there was never any mention of a second language. Also, he was born in Innsbruck, Austria, of a self-effacing mother and a domineering father, not the other way around. I'm the one who was born of a domineering mother and an absentee father. Do you see what that does?
FL