"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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Sometimes it feels like it is some kind of 'game' during some (not all) of these conversations.Kenny wrote:I've learned nothing from you thus far. If you wanna see me to learn something, you need to seriously up your game!RickD wrote: Very Good. You're learning at your own pace, but you're still learning.
Ken
Not sure what county you are from, but in the USA the term "up your game" is slang for do a better job. In the context I was using it I was suggesting he needs to ask better, more thought provoking questions.Nessa wrote:Sometimes it feels like it is some kind of 'game' during some (not all) of these conversations.Kenny wrote:I've learned nothing from you thus far. If you wanna see me to learn something, you need to seriously up your game!RickD wrote: Very Good. You're learning at your own pace, but you're still learning.
Ken
Yep, I know what "up your game" means,,,Kenny wrote:Not sure what county you are from, but in the USA the term "up your game" is slang for do a better job. In the context I was using it I was suggesting he needs to ask better, more thought provoking questions.Nessa wrote:Sometimes it feels like it is some kind of 'game' during some (not all) of these conversations.Kenny wrote:I've learned nothing from you thus far. If you wanna see me to learn something, you need to seriously up your game!RickD wrote: Very Good. You're learning at your own pace, but you're still learning.
Ken
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I think you've made a very good point.Nessa wrote:Yep, I know what "up your game" means,,,Kenny wrote:Not sure what county you are from, but in the USA the term "up your game" is slang for do a better job. In the context I was using it I was suggesting he needs to ask better, more thought provoking questions.Nessa wrote:Sometimes it feels like it is some kind of 'game' during some (not all) of these conversations.Kenny wrote:I've learned nothing from you thus far. If you wanna see me to learn something, you need to seriously up your game!RickD wrote: Very Good. You're learning at your own pace, but you're still learning.
Ken
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We even use it here in NZ
I was pondering how some of the discussions feel slightly contest-ish.... but thats just my opinion and the way I see it.
ken:
My scenario was not about "no theism" (fixed it) it was about if you knew theism was false
ES:
Unnecessary, if, acknowledging theism is false, why would there even be atheism ? There is no light if everywhere, there is darkness.
from us at the pearly gates ...ken:
My scenario was not about "no theism" (fixed it) it was about if you knew theism was false
ES:
Unnecessary, if, acknowledging theism is false, why would there even be atheism ? There is no light if everywhere, there is darkness.
Just because you may be able to falsify God to your satisfaction doesn't mean you will be able to do it to everybody else's satisfaction. As long as there continues to be believers, there will be those who are called Atheists.EssentialSacrifice wrote:If you could falsify God (gods), you eliminate the need for the term atheism.
[/quote]EssentialSacrifice wrote:but i understand your problem. If, as an atheist you found out God was real and thereby all you've heard and learned about God on site, then it would behoove you to say yes for the reasons of all the things ahead of you by and for becoming Christian... through eternity.
I know many an atheist that would say no.Nessa wrote:Frank Turek asks atheists this following question:
"If you knew that Christianity was true, would you become a christian"
So for those of you who are atheists - what would your reply be?
Herein lies some of the problem of talking with you. You change the rules. Your initial question, the one I have been responding to, is to an individual, thereby requesting an answer from an individual...Just because you may be able to falsify God to your satisfaction doesn't mean you will be able to do it to everybody else's satisfaction. As long as there continues to be believers, there will be those who are called Atheists.
IMO, and i don't care about other people's satisfactions, where Elvis is today, what others do with or process the information the theism is false... your premise is for me and requesting my thoughts which I have defended. If you want to compare what everyone else might think on the topic, you can go get their answers separately from them, and not foolishly expect me or anyone else (including you) to speak for them... in regards to how they might react to finding out theism is false.ken:
my question was, if you found out Theism was false, would you become Atheist?
well since we're so free with our words, i seriously doubt if you can, remotely learn by constantly talking and instead, open your ears enough to learn. But i bet this last thought of yours felt good, didn't it ? Get a little jab in ? Good for you ken, impressive,If I found out God was real, I seriously doubt he would be anything remotely close to what is said about him on these sites.
in the terminally short run.7.) Even if Jesus rose from the dead, Dan would still not accept Him as his Lord.
Debate Exchange 8 (2:36:00–2:50:10)
This last 15 minutes of the debate was the most important exchange of the night. I recommend watching this 15-minute clip with undivided attention. Not only does Dan admit that the resurrection of Jesus does explain the 7 facts I presented “perfectly” (and he never presented an alternative explanation besides Price’s unsubstantiated theory about Peter), but he also made the shocking declaration in his closing statement that even if Jesus rose from the dead and there is a God, he still wouldn’t accept him as Lord.
In all Dan’s books, and in all the debates I have watched with him, I had never heard him say that even if Jesus rose from the dead, he still wouldn’t confess Him as Lord. This was I believe the first time he stated this publicly. And I think it reveals a lot.
It reveals mainly that the evidence and arguments really don’t matter in the end because even if Jesus did rise from the dead this still wouldn’t convince Dan. Many atheists and agnostics told me after the debate that they disagreed with Dan on this. They said they wanted to know if God exists and if Jesus did in fact rise from the dead and of course they would confess him as Lord if He did. This statement by Dan clarifies another shocking statement he has made over the years, but first in his book Losing Faith (p. 331): “Speaking for myself, if the biblical heaven and hell exist, I would choose hell. Having to spend eternity pretending to worship tyranny would be more hellish than baking in eternal flames. There is no way a Bully will earn my worship.”
I don’t think Dan in any way represents all atheists with these shocking admissions, but I do think he represents a certain segment of unbelievers. Many atheists and agnostics, I believe, are open to the evidence and would no doubt change their views if convinced God exists and Jesus rose from the dead. However, it is important to realize that there are also many unbelievers like Dan who no matter what evidence is presented to them, in fact even if Jesus actually did rise from the dead and appear to them, they admit they would still not believe and would choose hell over worshipping God in heaven (see Luke 16:31). These kinds of statements do break my heart and I still pray for Dan and hope and believe he will come back to his Savior and Lord before the end.
C. S. Lewis wrote, in my opinion, the greatest chapter on Hell ever written. His conclusion to that chapter is an appropriate ending to this article: “In the long run the answer to all those who object to the doctrine of hell, is itself a question: ‘What are you asking God to do?’ To wipe out their past sins and, at all costs, to give them a fresh start, smoothing every difficulty and offering every miraculous help? But He has done so, on Calvary. To Forgive them? They will not be forgiven. To leave them alone? Alas, I am afraid that is what He does” (Problem of Pain, 130).
Kenny,If you knew theism was false, would'nt you become Atheist?
Ken
And the answer would be the same. If I knew, totally knew, 100%, that God didn't exist, then I would have no reason to be atheist. Because by definition, atheism only exists, if theism exists. And if I KNOW theism doesn't exist, and therefore, I KNOW God doesn't exist, then atheism doesn't exist.If you knew God didnt exist, wouldn't you become Atheist?
No! Theism is false is not the same as theism doesn't exist. All it would mean is you know God doesn't exist. There will still be those who will incorrectly continue to believe in God thus theism and atheism will continue to exist.RickD wrote:ES,
Getting frustrated yet?
Kenny's question:Kenny,If you knew theism was false, would'nt you become Atheist?
Ken
You don't understand. If I knew theism(belief in God or gods) was false...
In other words, if theism is false, it would mean that I KNOW there is no belief in God.
