Evidence for God from Science

RickD wrote:Why do miracles need a naturalistic explanation?

Do you need a naturalistic explanation for the virgin birth of Christ?

1over137 wrote:

stuartcr wrote:

Byblos wrote:

stuartcr wrote:Mere bread coming from the sky would be equally hard to believe.

Is there anything that would make you think it wasn't so hard to believe? Because I have a feeling knowing manna's molecular structure ain't gonna do it either.

Identifying what it was/is, would make it easier to believe for me.

Before you said:

stuartcr wrote:Mere bread coming from the sky would be equally hard to believe.

So, if it was bread coming from the UFO, would that be easier to believe?

stuartcr:
Identifying what it was/is, would make it easier to believe for me.

stuartcr wrote:

RickD wrote:Why do miracles need a naturalistic explanation?

Do you need a naturalistic explanation for the virgin birth of Christ?

So that they can be believable to people that are skeptical.

Byblos wrote:

stuartcr wrote:

Byblos wrote:

stuartcr wrote:Mere bread coming from the sky would be equally hard to believe.

Is there anything that would make you think it wasn't so hard to believe? Because I have a feeling knowing manna's molecular structure ain't gonna do it either.

Identifying what it was/is, would make it easier to believe for me.

Fair enough. Here's a recipe then (from here )

Buckwheat Manna
You can dehydrate this if you have food dehydrator with square trays, such as an Excalibur Dehydrator. This is what I use. Otherwise, you can do this in the oven at a very low temperature. Dehydrating will retain the maximum amount of nutrients and the living enzymes. In other words, it will be raw. Using the oven will also produce a crispy and healthy cereal.

2 cups buckwheat groats, soaked in water for 4 hours
3/4 cup honey (or more, if desired)
2 teaspoons sea salt

Drain and rinse the soaked buckwheat groats well. Add all three ingredients to a food processor and process for about 10 seconds. You do not want a paste, but it should be well combined and soupy in texture. If you do not have a food processor you can pulse this in a blender or just skip this step and your manna will be a littler chunkier.

To dehydrate:
Spread mixture onto two Teflex-lined dehyrator sheets (I use parchment paper). Dehydrate overnight at 110 degrees. Flip and continue dehydrating for a few more hours.

To bake:
Line a 12×18 baking sheet with parchment paper leaving a couple inches hanging over on the short sides (this will give you something to pull on to get your dried manna out in one sheet). Pour the mixture onto the pan and spread it out, covering the entire pan. Bake at the lowest temperature setting your oven will go (mine is 170) for 2-3 hours. Keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn’t burn. You want it to be completely dry like granola.

When the mixture is dry and crunchy, break it up into smaller pieces and store in an air tight container in the refrigerator. Eat as a snack by itself or pour milk over it for a healthy bowl of cereal.

EssentialSacrifice wrote:

stuartcr:
Identifying what it was/is, would make it easier to believe for me.

stuart, what will the identity do for you, to make it easier, that not knowing and simply accepting, what has been provided ? is it the base material of the manna or the providential act that created the manna that is harder to believe ? A providential act utilizing His own creation's materials.

The base material of manna, like all foods, is a product of the earth not dissimilar looking to a cotton bulb, that was edible.

How it got there is the journey of a lifetime, no matter how long it takes you.

RickD wrote:

stuartcr wrote:

RickD wrote:Why do miracles need a naturalistic explanation?

Do you need a naturalistic explanation for the virgin birth of Christ?

So that they can be believable to people that are skeptical.

So tell me, do you believe in the virgin birth of Christ?

If the base material of manna is a product of the earth, why can't anyone Identify it?

Exodus states that raw manna tasted like wafers that had been made with honey.

ES:
stuart, what will the identity do for you, to make it easier, that not knowing and simply accepting, what has been provided ? is it the base material of the manna or the providential act that created the manna that is harder to believe ? A providential act utilizing His own creation's materials.

EssentialSacrifice wrote:

If the base material of manna is a product of the earth, why can't anyone Identify it?

It happened a long time ago and left no trace for sample. It is a miraculous food of spiritual essence that, as the bible states ...

Exodus states that raw manna tasted like wafers that had been made with honey.

interesting that honey is the only food that won't spoil while in it's edible state !

now, if you will, answer my question...

ES:
stuart, what will the identity do for you, to make it easier, that not knowing and simply accepting, what has been provided ? is it the base material of the manna or the providential act that created the manna that is harder to believe ? A providential act utilizing His own creation's materials.

EssentialSacrifice wrote:So you're looking for the questionable identity of a material from antiquity to make a potentially providential act more believeable ?

stuartcr wrote:

EssentialSacrifice wrote:So you're looking for the questionable identity of a material from antiquity to make a potentially providential act more believeable ?

Yes. I figure if anyone could answer, it would come from this website.

Yes. I figure if anyone could answer, it would come from this website.