Evidence for God from Science

Mel wrote:
I have never been aware of any government freely opening their borders without any discernment as to whom they allow to enter.
It is a mute point. It doesn't happen.

Umm...Ever heard of the U. S?

That's the basis for any American who doesn't want tens of thousands of refugees allowed into the US. Unfortunately, our country's extremely lax policy on who is allowed in, leads to terror cells from within the country.

Most Americans are tired of a govt who doesn't care enough about the citizens who pay their wages. The govt. is supposed to protect the citizens from enemies, foreign and domestic. And that can't happen when they allow anyone into the country, as they've been doing. And unfortunately, extremists use things like this refugee crisis, to sneak into countries, to perform acts of terror.

So, that leads to anger, and sometimes overreactions, like what ACB is saying. Muslims move into countries, and don't conform to the host country's rules. As the Muslim population grows in that country, they take over more and more, until finally Sharia law totally replaces the law of the land.

That is the goal of everyone who follows the Koran. Make the whole world subject to Islam.

Here is what is going on now in Maine:

http://pamelageller.com/2012/10/lewisto ... late.html/

http://toprightnews.com/minnesota-musli ... od-pantry/

I do not understand why the left in the USA thinks that the USA Constitution will stop Sharia Law when they themselves believe the US Constitution is a living document that often needs international law to help make it better as this link shows supreme Court justice Stephen Breyer's....

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /72305524/

Obama even proudly proclaimed his intent to fundamentally transform America. The add to this the Letf's oft argument that Sharia law will not take root in the USA due to a the US Constitution is pure hyperbole.

Maine, again voted for doing nothing under the guise that the US Constitution is all one needs:

http://bangordailynews.com/2015/04/17/p ... in-courts/

However, why is this continuously being brought up in other states, Alabama, Tennessee, Missouri?

Islam is relentless always pushing till it gets it way. It is extremely sad to see and hear those on the USA's progressive left not get it - that is - they too are citizens of this country and if they destroy the country they themselves are also destroyed.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/ ... et-mockery

Like the world, some folks simply do not understand they they too will be killed kissing and cuddling a live mean pit viper ready to strike....
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That's because SPIRITUAL blindness also causes loss of common sense in many areas of one's thinking.

RickD wrote:And theophilus' response to you here:

I feel the same way. The Bible says we must not conform to the world but have our minds renewed, but many Christians fail to do this.

seemed to say he also believes Christians don't want to help the refugees. And theophilus lives in America. That's just an ignorant statement. Christians in America, in general, aren't opposed to helping refugees.

America isn't facing the same kind of refugee crisis that Europe is because we are farther away from the countries from which most of the refugees come, but we do face a similar problem. Many people are immigrating to our country illegally to find jobs because they can't earn a living in their home countries. Many Americans, even some who are Christians, advocate keeping these people out even though this would condemn many of them to economic hardships. I believe we should screen immigrants to keep out those whose presence would be detrimental but we should make it easier for those who are simply trying to make a living for themselves and there families to enter the country legally. American Christians should support making immigration easier because it would not only help them economically but would provide opportunities for American Christians to share the gospel with them. I even wrote about this subject in my blog:

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2015/ ... vangelism/

The situation in Europe is different but the same moral principles apply.

One thing we must not overlook is the fact that God is in control of whatever happens. He has allowed the events that led to the influx of refugees in Europe of immigrants in America. Nothing he does is without a purpose. I believe that one purpose is to test the Christians in America and Europe to see if we will obey his commands to help those who are in need. There is at least one church in Germany where Christians are responding positively to the challenge:

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/h ... /64114.htm

Just something to think about, regarding two of your arguments for allowing ILLEGAL immigrants into the US.
First you said:

theophilus wrote:
America isn't facing the same kind of refugee crisis that Europe is because we are farther away from the countries from which most of the refugees come, but we do face a similar problem. Many people are immigrating to our country illegally to find jobs because they can't earn a living in their home countries. Many Americans, even some who are Christians, advocate keeping these people out even though this would condemn many of them to economic hardships.

Since illegal immigrants can't LEGALLY work in the US, if they're allowed to work, they have to work ILLEGALLY. Which means they work for far less pay than those here LEGALLY. Which means they take jobs away from American citizens, and others here legally. Which causes economic hardships for many Americans.

Second, you made an argument about allowing illegal immigrants here so Christians can share the gospel with them. You said:

American Christians should support making immigration easier because it would not only help them economically but would provide opportunities for American Christians to share the gospel with them. I even wrote about this subject in my blog:

According to Wikipedia,

About 78 percent of illegal immigrants coming to the US, are from Mexico(52%), and other Central America countries(26%). And over 90% of Central Americans are Catholic. And 82% of Mexicans are Catholic. So it seems you'd be "preaching to the choir".

So, you're argument about allowing illegal immigrants here to share the gospel with them, doesn't really seem like a great trade off.

There are plenty of Americans that need the gospel, and also need jobs.

I just do not see it like some of you do.And let me make it clear I am not being heartless or cruel to the refugees. I am against what muslims do and have been doing and that is use the freedoms in the west against itself to bring Sharia Law to our country and convert the world to Islam. This is the goal of what you call moderate muslims they use silent jihad to take over,it is the radical terrorists who use violent jihad.I have known about this for years and have been warning about it coming to the west and it is.Also even the moderate muslims in the middle east desire Sharia Law and want Israel wiped off the map.

I just do not see it like some of you do but I'm looking at this from a bible prophecy perspective and this is why this is setting us up to go through the tribulation oneday.By the time the rapture happens the trap will be set and the Islamic anti-christ will be revealed and every muslim will believe the anti-christ is the Majde who has come to convert the world to Islam and they will be all for it and in place in the west.

RickD wrote:Since illegal immigrants can't LEGALLY work in the US, if they're allowed to work, they have to work ILLEGALLY. Which means they work for far less pay than those here LEGALLY. Which means they take jobs away from American citizens, and others here legally. Which causes economic hardships for many Americans.

If they were allowed to enter the country and work legally they would be protected by minimum wage laws. They would also have taxes and social security deducted from their pay and so help the country economically.

About 78 percent of illegal immigrants coming to the US, are from Mexico(52%), and other Central America countries(26%). And over 90% of Central Americans are Catholic. And 82% of Mexicans are Catholic. So it seems you'd be "preaching to the choir".

Catholics need to hear the gospel as much as anyone else. They are part of a church that mixes a lot of false teaching with the truths of the Bible.

https://carm.org/roman-catholicism

Catholics need to hear the gospel as much as anyone else. They are part of a church that mixes a lot of false teaching with the truths of the Bible.

Are you sure you want to go there?

RickD wrote:Since illegal immigrants can't LEGALLY work in the US, if they're allowed to work, they have to work ILLEGALLY. Which means they work for far less pay than those here LEGALLY. Which means they take jobs away from American citizens, and others here legally. Which causes economic hardships for many Americans.

Theophilus wrote:
If they were allowed to enter the country and work legally they would be protected by minimum wage laws. They would also have taxes and social security deducted from their pay and so help the country economically.

Even if they were in the country legally, they still would be taking jobs away from Americans.

Seeing how they're leaving their poorer countries, they'd be willing to take less pay than Americans, to do the same jobs. They would still be taking jobs away from those already here, who need jobs. And not to mention, a lot of immigrants don't spend what they earn here. They send the money back to their families in Mexico, or wherever. So, they're not really helping the economy. A lot of the jobs that legal immigrants take here, are minimum wage jobs. Which have an extremely low tax rate. Or no taxes at all. If someone comes in to do a job, and will take minimum wage, that drives down the wages of Americans. It throws a monkey wrench into the system.

RickD wrote:
About 78 percent of illegal immigrants coming to the US, are from Mexico(52%), and other Central America countries(26%). And over 90% of Central Americans are Catholic. And 82% of Mexicans are Catholic. So it seems you'd be "preaching to the choir".

Theophilus wrote:
Catholics need to hear the gospel as much as anyone else. They are part of a church that mixes a lot of false teaching with the truths of the Bible.

Actually,

I agree with you here. I think Catholics, as well as many Protestants in the US, do need to hear the gospel.

There are plenty of fish to catch here already, without adding more people to an overburdened workforce.

And unless you speak Spanish, preaching the gospel to 75% of the illegal immigrants, is useless anyways.


¿Puedo decirle sobre el evangelio de Jesucristo?

by abelcainsbrother » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:27 pm

Catholics need to hear the gospel as much as anyone else. They are part of a church that mixes a lot of false teaching with the truths of the Bible.


Are you sure you want to go there?

Perhaps you would take the time to explain They are part of a church that mixes a lot of false teaching with the truths of the Bible. ... i would actually like to hear about your version of the Catholic mixing of false teaching and truths ( a lot of, no less ) you speak of... specifically.

EssentialSacrifice wrote:

by abelcainsbrother » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:27 pm

Catholics need to hear the gospel as much as anyone else. They are part of a church that mixes a lot of false teaching with the truths of the Bible.


Are you sure you want to go there?

Perhaps you would take the time to explain They are part of a church that mixes a lot of false teaching with the truths of the Bible. ... i would actually like to hear about your version of the Catholic mixing of false teaching and truths ( a lot of, no less ) you speak of... specifically.

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sorry, I am too forward with my responses aren't I ?

EssentialSacrifice wrote: sorry, I am too forward with my responses aren't I ?

That's ok ES...we're used to Catholics being defensive about their false teachings.

I have a hard time deciding which are the CC's more dangerous teachings (see unScriptural) - those concerning the Pope or those about Mary.

The CC has ignored Revelation 22:18-19 and similar admonitions found in Scripture, particularly, in regards to ADDING new teachings.

From Questions.org:
Although the warning in Revelation 22:18-19 is specific to the Book of Revelation, the principle applies to anyone who seeks to intentionally distort God's Word. Moses gave a similar warning in Deuteronomy 4:1-2, where he cautioned the Israelites that they must listen to and obey the commandments of the Lord, neither adding to nor taking away from His revealed Word. Proverbs 30:5-6 contains a similar admonition to anyone who would add to God’s words: he will be rebuked and proven to be a liar. Although the warning in Revelation 22:18-19 applies specifically to the Book of Revelation, its principle must be applied to the entire revealed Word of God. We must be careful to handle the Bible with care and reverence so as to not distort its message.

Philip wrote:I have a hard time deciding which are the CC's more dangerous teachings (see unScriptural) - those concerning the Pope or those about Mary.

The CC has ignored Revelation 22:18-19 and similar admonitions found in Scripture, particularly, in regards to ADDING new teachings.

From Questions.org:
Although the warning in Revelation 22:18-19 is specific to the Book of Revelation, the principle applies to anyone who seeks to intentionally distort God's Word. Moses gave a similar warning in Deuteronomy 4:1-2, where he cautioned the Israelites that they must listen to and obey the commandments of the Lord, neither adding to nor taking away from His revealed Word. Proverbs 30:5-6 contains a similar admonition to anyone who would add to God’s words: he will be rebuked and proven to be a liar. Although the warning in Revelation 22:18-19 applies specifically to the Book of Revelation, its principle must be applied to the entire revealed Word of God. We must be careful to handle the Bible with care and reverence so as to not distort its message.

Spoken like a true Protestant heretic!