DBowling. I don't remember calling you a liar,and I don't care who you vote for but I do think you are either dishonest in your critique of Trump or just not informed about Trump. You claim he is a bully but althroughout the campaign they all said mean things about Trump first or in Megyn Kelly's instance set him up in the debates just like Candy Crowley of CNN did to Mitt Romney. She was trying to target Trump unfairly to take him out and yet Trump did not cower like maybe you expected but he faught back instead and exposed her..
If you are a real conservative like you claim then you know all about the liberal media's biased and unfair attacks against Republicans,and yet you overlooked it when it was Megyn Kelly?You claim you watched every debate but Trump won every debate according to Drudge Report's poll after the debates. If we were to go back through the debates and watch all of them back to back you would see they all attacked Trump first and then he hit them back after they attacked him and exposed their record they were trying to hide from the American people.
Everybody that you claim Trump bullied attacked Trump first and they are the mean bullies. I mean they said mean things about Trump and then were appalled when he hit back. This does not make Trump a bully,if he did not fight back he would have lost.
Who is Mike Pence?
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ACB,abelcainsbrother wrote:DBowling. I don't remember calling you a liar,and I don't care who you vote for but I do think you are either dishonest in your critique of Trump or just not informed about Trump. You claim he is a bully but althroughout the campaign they all said mean things about Trump first or in Megyn Kelly's instance set him up in the debates just like Candy Crowley of CNN did to Mitt Romney. She was trying to target Trump unfairly to take him out and yet Trump did not cower like maybe you expected but he faught back instead and exposed her.. If you are a real conservative like you claim then you know all about the liberal media's biased and unfair attacks against Republicans,and yet you overlooked it when it was Megyn Kelly?You claim you watched every debate but Trump won every debate according to Drudge Report's poll after the debates. Everybody that you claim Trump bullied attacked Trump first and they are the mean bullies. I mean they said mean things about Trump and then were appalled when he hit back. This does not make Trump a bully,if he did not fight back he would have lost.
Did you just use "liberal media" and "Megyn Kelly" in the same sentence? I really hope you don't think FoxNews is "liberal media".
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I did not say that. My point was Megyn Kelly used the same tactics the liberal news media has used to take out Republicans and so it is easy to spot when it happens regardless of the news network.Trump had both sides attacking him and he taught back against all of it.RickD wrote:ACB,abelcainsbrother wrote:DBowling. I don't remember calling you a liar,and I don't care who you vote for but I do think you are either dishonest in your critique of Trump or just not informed about Trump. You claim he is a bully but althroughout the campaign they all said mean things about Trump first or in Megyn Kelly's instance set him up in the debates just like Candy Crowley of CNN did to Mitt Romney. She was trying to target Trump unfairly to take him out and yet Trump did not cower like maybe you expected but he faught back instead and exposed her.. If you are a real conservative like you claim then you know all about the liberal media's biased and unfair attacks against Republicans,and yet you overlooked it when it was Megyn Kelly?You claim you watched every debate but Trump won every debate according to Drudge Report's poll after the debates. Everybody that you claim Trump bullied attacked Trump first and they are the mean bullies. I mean they said mean things about Trump and then were appalled when he hit back. This does not make Trump a bully,if he did not fight back he would have lost.
Did you just use "liberal media" and "Megyn Kelly" in the same sentence? I really hope you don't think FoxNews is "liberal media".
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I guess it's all in one's perspective. You see it as tactics to take out Trump. I see it as Megyn Kelly asking tough questions, and bringing up issues that people want answered.abelcainsbrother wrote:I did not say that. My point was Megyn Kelly used the same tactics the liberal news media has used to take out Republicans and so it is easy to spot when it happens regardless of the news network.RickD wrote:ACB,abelcainsbrother wrote:DBowling. I don't remember calling you a liar,and I don't care who you vote for but I do think you are either dishonest in your critique of Trump or just not informed about Trump. You claim he is a bully but althroughout the campaign they all said mean things about Trump first or in Megyn Kelly's instance set him up in the debates just like Candy Crowley of CNN did to Mitt Romney. She was trying to target Trump unfairly to take him out and yet Trump did not cower like maybe you expected but he faught back instead and exposed her.. If you are a real conservative like you claim then you know all about the liberal media's biased and unfair attacks against Republicans,and yet you overlooked it when it was Megyn Kelly?You claim you watched every debate but Trump won every debate according to Drudge Report's poll after the debates. Everybody that you claim Trump bullied attacked Trump first and they are the mean bullies. I mean they said mean things about Trump and then were appalled when he hit back. This does not make Trump a bully,if he did not fight back he would have lost.
Did you just use "liberal media" and "Megyn Kelly" in the same sentence? I really hope you don't think FoxNews is "liberal media".
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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RickD wrote:I guess it's all in one's perspective. You see it as tactics to take out Trump. I see it as Megyn Kelly asking tough questions, and bringing up issues that people want answered.abelcainsbrother wrote:I did not say that. My point was Megyn Kelly used the same tactics the liberal news media has used to take out Republicans and so it is easy to spot when it happens regardless of the news network.RickD wrote:ACB,abelcainsbrother wrote:DBowling. I don't remember calling you a liar,and I don't care who you vote for but I do think you are either dishonest in your critique of Trump or just not informed about Trump. You claim he is a bully but althroughout the campaign they all said mean things about Trump first or in Megyn Kelly's instance set him up in the debates just like Candy Crowley of CNN did to Mitt Romney. She was trying to target Trump unfairly to take him out and yet Trump did not cower like maybe you expected but he faught back instead and exposed her.. If you are a real conservative like you claim then you know all about the liberal media's biased and unfair attacks against Republicans,and yet you overlooked it when it was Megyn Kelly?You claim you watched every debate but Trump won every debate according to Drudge Report's poll after the debates. Everybody that you claim Trump bullied attacked Trump first and they are the mean bullies. I mean they said mean things about Trump and then were appalled when he hit back. This does not make Trump a bully,if he did not fight back he would have lost.
Did you just use "liberal media" and "Megyn Kelly" in the same sentence? I really hope you don't think FoxNews is "liberal media".
OK but she never set any of the others up like that,which let's me know it was an unfair attack trying to take him out,but it backfired. No other candidate has been critiqued like Trump has,still.
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2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
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Re: Who is Mike Pence?
I see. So refusing to interact with you makes me a troll? Well in that case, all I gots to say is:edwardmurphy wrote:I'll take it as you being deliberately dismissive and sanctimonious in order to irritate me. Congratulations, you're a troll.
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No, Jac, being a sanctimonious ass about it makes you a troll.
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Regarding Pence, I think Trump wasted an opportunity. Pence will help him with conservatives (where he didn't need help), and hurt him badly with the Sanders supporters he's been courting. I'm surprised that he played it so cautiously. If he'd been bold enough to take Republican support for granted and pick a moderate VP he might have locked up the election.
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Re: Who is Mike Pence?
What I've noticed in life, is that people like to "pin" you as being this way and that. No matter what you do once "pinned", you can't really shake it. And, I'm sure we all know just how frustrating it is once judged to fight against wrong stigmas, sometimes untruths that don't even really matter personally, but just to set the record straight...
You know, I've seen videos of Trump when he was on Oprah, video interviews with this and that. He can be quite articulate and it's like "Wow, was that Trump?!?" You know, take a look at some of his stuff years before he was running to become president.
Throughout the campaign, he's taken on the bully image and run with it, DB said, "A bully is a person who frequently uses threats, intimidation, and attacks to demoralize and tear tear down others for the purpose of making themselves feel more powerful. The threats and attacks of bullies can sometimes give them momentary 'power' over others but in the long run leads to resistance and resentment." That just fits Trump to a 't' right? That's what the media wants us to believe, that's what even his reality TV shows lead us to believe, he's one of those successful bullying business CEO types who get their joys from saying, "You're fired!" It's all about the money. And Trump, milked that card well to get ratings and have people invest in him to increase further his own profits.
However, looking at his earlier stuff, before the show, before this election, he is actually more articulate than those one liner comments he always likes to say and cause a stir. He does actually think about things. The business person he is though, I mean to be successful in business you have to have a thick skin. There are those who'll tear you down otherwise, and you'll wake up some mornings in knots but you need to harden yourself. And then, business, is about money at the end of the day. A successful business makes money. Being successful and a highly respected businessman, well, that isn't going to get a humanitarian of the year award but will be seen in the light of someone who must have stepped on top of others in such a dog-eat-dog environment.
So then, could Trump have played any other card, then the one the whole world has stigmatised him with? I don't believe so. You play the cards you're dealt, and Trump hasn't just accepted it, but he's run with it to hyperbole levels. To probably even his own amazement, people began to like it and he outdid all the other Republican candidates by a mile. Cruz and others just didn't know what to do. The complete arrogance, the bullying, his obstinate manner -- he was the worst in all categories, how could someone be so not just blunt, but a complete jackass and get away with it?!? Trump played these cards and ran with them, and continues to do so.
Yet, he's not a fool. Many have underestimated him and ruled him out. The fact is, he doesn't need anyone's vote here, Rick, DB, et al. Because he knows people in doing business. He knows how to work people, and you know, more bad will come out on Clinton. She's done the most damage to herself, spent I think I read somewhere 40 times more than Trump, and she's neck and neck. Trump hasn't even gotten really started with the smear campaign he'll run with. People feel they know Trump from his TV show and the image he's always portrayed. People therefore feel they know what they'll get. Many are repulsed by such, but then what... people hate bad surprises worse, which is why the FBI stuff went down so poorly. I mean people suspected things, but to catch Hillary in outright lies I'm not sure even her supporters expected her own trip ups.
In any case, I really don't believe Trump is the pure aweful bully people have him pinned as. In business, you also need to have partnerships. While you have a mind you need to make final decisions with, you do need others to be successful, other who respect you and that you can rely upon to certain degrees. So, I think what people are seeing isn't really Trump, but rather the image that he is running with. And what a horrible image to run with?
It reminds me in the 8 Mile movie with Eminem, where they're rapping... his opponent has dirt on Eminem and is going to smudge him with it. Eminem knows it, so what does he do? Beats him to the punch by rapping all about it himself, leaving his opponent now without any material to rap about. What is all the Republican candidates do? They kept saying how unfair, how much of a bully, what an egomaniac and narccist Trump was. How was Trump responding? By being all those things, calling them all weak, and a bunch of pussies basically with political sticks up their .... and people lap it all up, those who support him, the media and even his dissenters.
What is Obama, Clinton the Democratic party, the media doing? They're running the same campaign that Trump's a bully, narcissist, racist, etc. Trump's already won against such a campaign in winning the Republican vote. He now just needs to double down on that strategy, play the same cards everyone has pinned on him. That Trump picked Pence, I think is like a flash of his real self, unless he's prepared to "trump" Pence at every turn (which is just bad business to do with you 2IC, it ain't going to happen), it really shows where he will fall on issues. So if you respect Pence, I think to a degree if Trump can be trusted at all, then you can trust he'll really depend upon Pence. He'll listen to his advisors rather than rashly proceeding with his emotion and ideas, a good businessman always listens to his advisors and then makes a decision. But, he'll feed what public want to hear and how they've got him pinned, has been playing those cards and will continue to do so until he wins.
Not sure why I just posted so much... just sharing observations, for whatever they're worth.
You know, I've seen videos of Trump when he was on Oprah, video interviews with this and that. He can be quite articulate and it's like "Wow, was that Trump?!?" You know, take a look at some of his stuff years before he was running to become president.
Throughout the campaign, he's taken on the bully image and run with it, DB said, "A bully is a person who frequently uses threats, intimidation, and attacks to demoralize and tear tear down others for the purpose of making themselves feel more powerful. The threats and attacks of bullies can sometimes give them momentary 'power' over others but in the long run leads to resistance and resentment." That just fits Trump to a 't' right? That's what the media wants us to believe, that's what even his reality TV shows lead us to believe, he's one of those successful bullying business CEO types who get their joys from saying, "You're fired!" It's all about the money. And Trump, milked that card well to get ratings and have people invest in him to increase further his own profits.
However, looking at his earlier stuff, before the show, before this election, he is actually more articulate than those one liner comments he always likes to say and cause a stir. He does actually think about things. The business person he is though, I mean to be successful in business you have to have a thick skin. There are those who'll tear you down otherwise, and you'll wake up some mornings in knots but you need to harden yourself. And then, business, is about money at the end of the day. A successful business makes money. Being successful and a highly respected businessman, well, that isn't going to get a humanitarian of the year award but will be seen in the light of someone who must have stepped on top of others in such a dog-eat-dog environment.
So then, could Trump have played any other card, then the one the whole world has stigmatised him with? I don't believe so. You play the cards you're dealt, and Trump hasn't just accepted it, but he's run with it to hyperbole levels. To probably even his own amazement, people began to like it and he outdid all the other Republican candidates by a mile. Cruz and others just didn't know what to do. The complete arrogance, the bullying, his obstinate manner -- he was the worst in all categories, how could someone be so not just blunt, but a complete jackass and get away with it?!? Trump played these cards and ran with them, and continues to do so.
Yet, he's not a fool. Many have underestimated him and ruled him out. The fact is, he doesn't need anyone's vote here, Rick, DB, et al. Because he knows people in doing business. He knows how to work people, and you know, more bad will come out on Clinton. She's done the most damage to herself, spent I think I read somewhere 40 times more than Trump, and she's neck and neck. Trump hasn't even gotten really started with the smear campaign he'll run with. People feel they know Trump from his TV show and the image he's always portrayed. People therefore feel they know what they'll get. Many are repulsed by such, but then what... people hate bad surprises worse, which is why the FBI stuff went down so poorly. I mean people suspected things, but to catch Hillary in outright lies I'm not sure even her supporters expected her own trip ups.
In any case, I really don't believe Trump is the pure aweful bully people have him pinned as. In business, you also need to have partnerships. While you have a mind you need to make final decisions with, you do need others to be successful, other who respect you and that you can rely upon to certain degrees. So, I think what people are seeing isn't really Trump, but rather the image that he is running with. And what a horrible image to run with?
It reminds me in the 8 Mile movie with Eminem, where they're rapping... his opponent has dirt on Eminem and is going to smudge him with it. Eminem knows it, so what does he do? Beats him to the punch by rapping all about it himself, leaving his opponent now without any material to rap about. What is all the Republican candidates do? They kept saying how unfair, how much of a bully, what an egomaniac and narccist Trump was. How was Trump responding? By being all those things, calling them all weak, and a bunch of pussies basically with political sticks up their .... and people lap it all up, those who support him, the media and even his dissenters.
What is Obama, Clinton the Democratic party, the media doing? They're running the same campaign that Trump's a bully, narcissist, racist, etc. Trump's already won against such a campaign in winning the Republican vote. He now just needs to double down on that strategy, play the same cards everyone has pinned on him. That Trump picked Pence, I think is like a flash of his real self, unless he's prepared to "trump" Pence at every turn (which is just bad business to do with you 2IC, it ain't going to happen), it really shows where he will fall on issues. So if you respect Pence, I think to a degree if Trump can be trusted at all, then you can trust he'll really depend upon Pence. He'll listen to his advisors rather than rashly proceeding with his emotion and ideas, a good businessman always listens to his advisors and then makes a decision. But, he'll feed what public want to hear and how they've got him pinned, has been playing those cards and will continue to do so until he wins.
Not sure why I just posted so much... just sharing observations, for whatever they're worth.
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Re: Who is Mike Pence?
While my post may have been positive light, the flip side is that Trump could be pinned a certain way because it is true. 
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I just don't understand why some on the right expect Trump to just sit there and take it when he is attacked. I believe Trump has a right to fight back against anyone who attacks him first. This is all Trump has done this whole election respond and fight back after being attacked,yet people turn things around and say Trump is the bully. I just don't get it,how people can think Trump is the bully because he responds and fights back after being attacked first. It is like they expect Trump to just take it so that there candidate can win,but Trump messes up their candidate because he fights back. It is totally unfair to Trump.
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2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
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I think maybe it's because that's not true and Trump is the aggressor at least as often as he's the victim.abelcainsbrother wrote:I just don't understand why some on the right expect Trump to just sit there and take it when he is attacked. I believe Trump has a right to fight back against anyone who attacks him first.
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edwardmurphy wrote:I think maybe it's because that's not true and Trump is the aggressor at least as often as he's the victim.abelcainsbrother wrote:I just don't understand why some on the right expect Trump to just sit there and take it when he is attacked. I believe Trump has a right to fight back against anyone who attacks him first.
OK then name people Trump attacked first because in every case Trump was attacked first even from non-politicians. John McCain said mean things about Trump first,Rosie O'Donnell said mean things about Trump first,Jeb Bush attacked Trump first,Ted Cruz attacked Trump first. Rubio attacked Trump first,Megun Kelly was mean to Trump first,Hillary attacked Trump first, Krauthammer attacked Trump first, there are more.these are just from memory. Trump never attacked any of these people first.He responded to their attacks.Trump is not the bully,they are.They can dish it out but can't take it back.
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2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
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That seems like a lot of trouble, especially since you're not going to believe anything that I say anyway. So no, I'm not going to do that.
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I will believe you if it is true,but you are not truthful about this. I gave examples of people who attacked Trump first,so you should be able to give examples of people Trump attacked first.Because you have been brainwashed by the media because I know how they always only reported Trump's responses to people making it seem like he attacked them first and you were tricked by the media.edwardmurphy wrote:That seems like a lot of trouble, especially since you're not going to believe anything that I say anyway. So no, I'm not going to do that.
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2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.